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I'm afraid, I'll have to disagree on that one. From a morphological point of
view, only "frag(e)" and "fragt" are imperative wordforms of "fragen". A
sentence like "Fragen Sie am Schalter nach" receives its overall imperative
modality from its syntax and its prosody: If you change the melody of the
sentence, it could also be a question: "Fragen Sie am Schalter nach?"
Similarly, a sentence like "Könntest Du jetzt bitte mal hierherkommen?" is
extremely imperative wrt its modality, but "könntest" is simply a plain
conjunktive wordform.
cf.
http://hypermedia.ids-mannheim.de/pls/public/sysgram.ansicht?v_typ=v&v_id=1952&v
_wort=Imperativ
Original comment by CWRSimon@googlemail.com
on 21 Jul 2011 at 9:33
After heavy discussions with my colleagues and after consulting some German
grammars, I go with eleonora: "Fragen Sie" seems indeed to be an imperative
form. I attached you section 1.9.1.2 from "Deutsche Grammatik" by Helbig und
Buscha (2001).
Original comment by wuerz...@gmail.com
on 22 Jul 2011 at 7:54
Attachments:
In my understanding, let's take the word schreiben. Imperativ forms are:
Schreibst du bitte mal das. sg, 2
Schreibe mal das. sg, 2
Schreiben wir mal das. pl, 1
Schreibt ihr mal das. pl, 2
Schreiben Sie mal das. pl, 3
there is no sg_1 and sg_3 imperative in German with flektion, they are
expressed with modal verbs:
Er sagte, ich soll schreiben sg 1
ich sagte, er soll schreiben sg 3
Corpora tagging is like that.
Original comment by eleonor...@gmx.net
on 22 Jul 2011 at 7:16
This is definitely not true according to German standard grammar: Ignoring the
fact that "Schreibt ihr mal das" is not a valid German sentence, imperative
forms usually select no subject. The honorific form seems to be an exception
(if we accept as an imperative form). Therefore we have a maximum of three
German imperative forms: schreib(e), schreibt and schreiben Sie. The other
forms you mentioned are declarative sentences. I very much doubt that they are
tagged as imperatives in negra/tiger.
@Christian What do you think about adding an imperative analysis for 3rd ps. pl?
Original comment by wuerz...@gmail.com
on 23 Jul 2011 at 12:47
I'm sorry for having been off-line for such a long time.
I concede that "fragen Sie" could be considered an imperative on the
morphological (!) level, iff (two f!) and only if the "Sie" stands with
"fragen". But how do you guys suggest that we implement it in Morphisto? What
would the correct analysis potentially look like?
fragen Sie<+V><Imp><Sg/Pl><Honorific>
This would raise any interesting question: How do we deal with disjunct
wordforms? Like "fragen Sie" or "ging weg"?
Original comment by CWRSimon@googlemail.com
on 25 Jul 2011 at 10:20
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
eleonor...@gmx.net
on 20 Jul 2011 at 9:28