Crash involving Secret Redstone and Thut Tech Elevators

[Kowantify]

Optifine?:Yes If so what version:1.12.2-HD_U_C8 Does adding/removing Optifine affect the issue?:No Version of Secret Rooms - I believe it to be the absolute most recent.

Here is my Crash Log: https://pastebin.com/xWSks4w0

Just crashed whilst rending a entity from a mod called Thut Tech Elevators, I accidently clicked on the elevator block thingy with redstone camo block, crashed my client side, but not server, and kinda corrupted my world unless I remove the mod but I have so much stuff with this mod lol. If you have any questions let me know!

[Wyn-Price]

Ok I know why this is happening. I'm currently rewriting the rendering system so hopefully this should be solved

[Wyn-Price]

Is this fixed in latest version (5.3.1)

[Kowantify]

I havnt tested it as of yet, but I have downloaded, I will see

[Kowantify]

https://pastebin.com/E1nFySH7

It worked, and then i broke the block, and this happened

[Kowantify]

not to sure if its your mod honestly, might be thuts elevators not liking the fact its placing 2 of itself camouflaged

[Kowantify]

i am able to join back in my server though, so it isnt corrupting the world, and honestly i wont even use the camo on that kind of block, it was an accidental bug find at first, so its fine honestly

[Wyn-Price]

It's a mixture of both mods. I know how to fix it and I'll get that done for tomorrows update. For now, turning off particle effects may fix it

[Kowantify]

okay, ill be good for now! thanks for the such quick work btw, impressive!!

[Wyn-Price]

It's happening when you break the blocks, and SRM tries to get the particles to render. The other mod is assuming that when it's asked for the state to render with, that the position of that state is also the position of the actual block, however with SRM, that's not the case. I'm getting the block state from the tile entities data, it doesn't actually exist in the world.

If that makes sense

[Kowantify]

yes, it makes sense, im in no way a coder, but ive been playing mc since 2011 so i understand this kind of stuff lol

[Wyn-Price]

2010-2011 minecraft where the days

[Kowantify]

Agreed.. for sure agreed, wish the modding community was still super big as it used to be. but there are still amazing mods for sure, like this one

[Wyn-Price]

Yeah the update from 1.7.10 to 1.8 was a practical rewrite of the whole game. Modding in it was a complete change, and you couldn't just update a mod, you had to rewrite it for later versions. That's what killed off the modding community, the fact that most of the popular mods had to be rewritten in a new program, which for some modders was impossible

[Kowantify]

exactly!!! 1.7.10 has so so so many good mods!!! its absolutely insane!! I was literally about to say 1.7.10 was the prime time for modding and playing

[Wyn-Price]

Modding in 1.7.10 was also (arguably) easier, although there are some 1.8+ features that I'm very glad now exist. Anyway, there's people who've learnt 1.8+ modding and are updating all the mods. When I rewrote Secretroomsmod, I did it all from memory, as looking over the code, mine and Abrars (original creator) coding style are very different, and the code he's using dosent when make sense to me, as the programs are littally completly different

[Kowantify]

damn... i just wish there was one program everyone used that was super good, and mc was still as popular for modding as 1.7.10 was, i loved playing 1.7.10 cause litterally EVERY mod was out for 1.7.10, and it was so so good

[Wyn-Price]

If minecraft released their official modding API this wouldnt have been an issue. With the minecraft official modding API, backwards compatibility would be a thing, meaning you could use mods from 1.7.10, with mods that didn't even exist in 1.7.10.

To the extent they would work though could be an issue

[Kowantify]

yeah, that would be insane, why didn't they do it? like what's holding the team back behind that kind of stuff?

[Wyn-Price]

Although it would be insane, I don't think Mojang should do it. In an interview, they talked about how they wouldnt be able to do anything the minecraft forge api would be able to do, and that everyone uses the forge API, noone wants to learn a new program. It would be alot of work with very little pay off. If they just work on new content, the many people at the minecraft forge team will get stuff sorted out.

Besides I like the community aspect of forge, if the official API came out it would be cool and all, but it would create a divide between forge and minecraft, meaning less mods for forge, and less mods for the official API.

It's better how it is at the moment, with forge being on top, as you don't have to worry about what API a mod would be in, you know it's going to be forge. Also as a mod developer, the thought of 2 APIs isn't nice. Undoubtedly, people would ask a mod developer to convert their mod from one API to the other, and from doing that in the past (1.7.10-1.8), it can be very painful, especially when your still working on the mod, or when you find bugs, as you have to update the other version, and if you've changed alot it can become a real pain.

Anyway that's enough rambling

[Kowantify]

thats insane, i do agree it all being one has made it A TON nicer, no other odd stuff to go about, makes mods more compatible with eachother and overall more reliant

[Wyn-Price]

Yeah introducing a new API will probably do worse than it'll do better.

And with forges asm system (where you can change vanilla code), there's actually nothing you can't do. If you wanted to, someone could rewrite the entire game, within a mod

[Kowantify]

thats insane, but hopefully the modding community grows as im still seeing new mods pop up everyday, i just hope the old mods catch up like Flans, though im in touch with minecraft transport simulator and they are doing apart of the same idea, adding content packs and so forth, its pretty damn neat

[Wyn-Price]

The modding community definitely isn't dead, just used to be much more prominent

[Kowantify]

good, I aint into the modding community as much as I used to be so I havn't had a great insite as much as actual modders do, but I sure do it keeps growing cause it sure ain't dying

[Wyn-Price]

Recently, like 1.10-1.12, it seems to be growing back, as more old mods are redeveloped.

Still nothing like the 1.7.10 Golden days

[Kowantify]

for sure, hopefully it can get another golden age, history does repeat itself, like maybe MC 1.13 may come back with some amazing stuff. I guess time will tell

[Wyn-Price]

I looked into some of the code for 1.13 and it looks like another rewrite, however nowhere near as bad as 1.7.0-1.8. hopefully it doesn't drive away people though

[Kowantify]

so will mod porting be tedious or easy?

[Wyn-Price]

Should be easy. I didn't look much but it looks like porting SRM would take like a week to 2 weeks. For larger mods it could take a month or so. Hard to tell at this stage

[Kowantify]

damn, well hopefully its butter and not pudding

[Wyn-Price]

Yeah hopefully it doesn't bring up too many issues. I'll be updating SRM no matter how long it takes, can't say the same for other developers

[Kowantify]

thats always super nice to hear, hopefully they all have that same mind set

[Wyn-Price]

Speaking to most of them on discord, it seems like they do have the same mindset, and hopefully will follow through

[Kowantify]

thats good, on discord im only in touch with 8 different mod discord channels but a lot of other modders talk in them aswell so im not sure how many i talk to exactly but a lot of em are excited for the next update and to get to work

[Wyn-Price]

The /r/feedthebeast discord is the only minecraft related one I'm really in, apart form a few YouTuber discords.

[Kowantify]

lol, yeah im in like buildcraft, Built Broken Modding which has like ICBM and 8 other mod developers in it, and Minecraft transport simulator, Mo Creatures which is toxic AF, and MjrLegends which is Galacticraft

[Kowantify]

Mo creatures mod developer is a straight up asshole, he kicked me for sending in a crash report and told me to f off, like yeah okay

[Wyn-Price]

Some devs, especially the OG's can be over themselves. Noone in the feedthebeast one has been like that though, it's got much more of a sense of community than those private discords where the owners think they're God's

[Kowantify]

That's exactly the issue, some are just crazy, and the some are so open to anything like they are so chillaxed.

[Wyn-Price]

The chill developers are so much better than the other type. I've worked with both types before, and the ones who think theyre gods gift often can code better than the ones that don't, but it's way harder to work with them. You'll often see mod developers like that working alone, and although I prefer working alone, I am able to work with other people, and have done so in the past

[Kowantify]

Ya, well let's just hope everything works out pretty damn smooth. And I have an idea for ur mod, i know this sounds crazy, have a way to make a big hatch that opens that's camouflage like a giant rocket hatch that opens up in the ground, which then in turn after opening can launch like a 10x10 rocket from galacticraft or something, that could be epic, I know it's big, but if u made one with configurable size it would be neat2

[Kowantify]

Like an oversized trapdoor

[Wyn-Price]

Couldn't you already do this with camoflage gates?

[Wyn-Price]

Camo Gates arnt like normal gates. They extend I think 10 blocks in the direction they're facing when power ed

[Kowantify]

Soooooo.. r u telling me I can already do that with ur Gates? And they all open into one giant hole?

[Kowantify]

So like a giant rocket from galacticraft can launch out of the ground through a opened up camo trapdoor?

[Kowantify]

That's like 10x10?

[Wyn-Price]

You could make a 20x20 hole, and line 2 opposite edges with camo Gates and hook up redstone to power those dates whenbyoy want it to be closed

[Wyn-Price]

Gates have to be facing inwards

[Kowantify]

And it'll cover the entire hole up? So it's invisible?