cuxna

[Ntsekees]

Original definition: x1 chooses/selects x2 [choice] from set/sequence of alternatives x3 (complete set)

I suggest adding an argument role for the inherent purpose for which something is chosen: • x1 chooses x2 out of set x3 to fulfill relation x4 (relation between x1 and x2)

(x1 wants to be in relation x4 with something, contemplates the possible candidates x3 and then decides that x2 (which is among x3) is what x1 will be in relation x4 with.)

The current trinary {cuxna} has always felt incomplete and awkward to me, the relation between x1 and x2 seeming very unclear. I felt an argument slot for the goal relation between x1 and x2 was missing.

A good example of current {cuxna}'s awkwardness is {la mu'e cuxna lo bradi}, which is the title of a Lojban story. Choosing the enemy of whom for what purpose? Or, choosing what as an enemy?

{te zu'e} doesn't seem to be a valid solution:

{mi cuxna su'o da te zu'e lo nu da mi bradi} = {su'o da zo'u mi zukte lo ka cuxna da ku lo nu da mi bradi} = "There is some thing X such that I choose X, and this choice is made with the goal that X is my enemy." (This says little about what I do to X by cuxna-ing it; is it an action that helps in achieving my goal of it being my enemy?)

With a dedicated purpose slot, "I choose him as my enemey" would be {mi cuxna ra fo lo ka se bradi}.

What do you think of that suggestion?

[uakci]

Agree in 100%.

On Aug 15, 2016 11:53 PM, "Ilmen" notifications@github.com wrote:

Original definition: x1 chooses/selects x2 [choice] from set/sequence of alternatives x3 (complete set)

I suggest adding an argument role for the inherent purpose for which something is chosen: • x1 chooses x2 out of set x3 to fulfill relation x4 (relation between x1 and x2)

(x1 wants to be in relation x4 with something, contemplates the possible candidates x3 and then decides that x2 (which is among x3) is what x1 will be in relation x4 with.)

The current trinary {cuxna} has always felt incomplete and awkward to me, the relation between x1 and x2 seeming very unclear. I felt an argument slot for the goal relation between x1 and x2 was missing.

A good example of current {cuxna}'s awkwardness is {la mu'e cuxna lo bradi}, which is the title of a Lojban story. Choosing the enemy of whom for what purpose? Or, choosing what as an enemy?

{te zu'e} doesn't seem to be a valid solution:

{mi cuxna da te zu'e lo nu da mi bradi} = {su'o da zo'u mi zukte lo ka cuxna da ku lo nu da mi bradi} = "There is some thing X such that I choose X, and this choice is made with the goal that X is my enemy." (This says little about what I do to X by cuxna-ing it; is it an action that helps in achieving my goal of it being my enemy?)

With a dedicated purpose slot, "I choose him as my enemey" would be {mi cuxna ra fo lo ka se bradi}.

What do you think of that suggestion?

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[Ntsekees]

Examples proposal: • .i mi pu cipyzu'e lo so'i mapku gi'e cuxna fi ri fe ti lo ka dasni ku mu'i lo nu ti mapti traji • .i ko cuxna su'o da lo valsi lo ka pensi .i ba bo mi reisku gi'e troci lo ka smadi lo du'u do cuxna ma kau • .i lo bangu poi cinri cu du'e mei .i mi se nandu lo ka cuxna su'o da ri lo ka tadni

[solpahi]

Thank you, Ilmen!

I suggest adding an argument role for the inherent purpose for which something is chosen: • x1 chooses x2 out of set x3 to fulfill relation x4 (relation between x1 and x2)

May I suggest a slight modification :)

x1 chooses x2 from among x3 to fulfill purpose x4 (relation between x1 and x2)

Mainly, the word "set" has to go.

(x1 wants to be in relation x4 with something, contemplates the possible candidates x3 and then decides that x2 (which is among x3) is what x1 will be in relation x4 with.)

This is a useful clarification that I would put in the notes.

What do you think of that suggestion?

I wholeheartedly approve, and (ti'e), so does Bahamut.

The examples seem good, too.

ki'e la .ilmen.