Sourcing materials for visors

[afroleft]

I have seen in the back and forth that we need a specific type of plastic for the visors.

I don't know an awful lot about this stuff, but looks like it could be PETG (link)

Mc reckoned we have enough to turn around a palettes worth of visors.

The suppliers of this plastic have run out in most places.

Questions:

1. Is it PETG that we need?
2. Are there likely to be local firms that are sat on a piles of PETG in their inventory?
3. Are there any other materials we need that are in short supply

I wouldn’t know where to start, but if someone could point me in the right direction of firms that will use this, I can reach out to directly and through network to see if peeps be willing to donate // sell at cost.

[amcewen]

We've been prototyping with polyester, as that's what we had in.

PETG is the material we'd like to be 3D printing with. It might also be a good choice in thin sheet form for the visors, but I'm not sure of any guidance on what's recommended or not recommended material-wise for visors.

If anyone can find out more details about possible materials and/or recommendations that'd be good - the Prusa design and or the Spanish designs might have details, for example

@KarlDunkerley had the info about pallets of stuff available in the original issue. Fishing that out and collating it here would be good.

I'm also not sure how flimsy is okay. The polyester OHP transparency sheet we've got is 0.07mm thick, according to my calipers. Maybe we should try dropping a sample off with a local healthcare professional who knows what the proper ones are like so they can advise us?

[afroleft]

The polyester OHP transparency sheet we've got is 0.07mm thick, according to my calipers. Maybe we should try dropping a sample off with a local healthcare professional who knows what the proper ones are like so they can advise us?

Natalia reckoned this would be fine @amcewen

@KarlDunkerley had the info about pallets of stuff available in the original issue. Fishing that out and collating it here would be good.

We have this.

My mate in packaging has suggested this firm for PETG. Have emailed them requesting help. PET | Plastic Products Limited

PET | Plastic Products Limited

PPL offers an extensive range of BOPET films for a wide range of applications in addition to APET for box making...

@KarlDunkerley did we get anywhere with this one?

Can you list any other local firms that might have a supply of this?

I can try and get in touch with them

[RussCoty]

Health questions:

I’m assuming the commercial ones are irradiated before shipping?

Could the supplier cut the material?

[ajlennon]

I've created a simple issue #21 to just contain what we actually decide we need rather than the conversation. So we can point people at it and say "go get some"

[afroleft]

I have a lead for 126 sheets of PETG --> link

Is this price fair?

[KarlDunkerley]

Before we get to the price, that is very thick. 2mm is about 10x the thickness I am using. Won't be v flexible. Also, that is a massive sheet size. Can you physically handle it? Bigger than nearly all laser except the biggest industrial ones.

I can get PETG in 220micron 1040 x 1550 for £143+VAT.  Thin, flexible, lightweight but more than good enough.  Only drawback is it needs to be a pallet load of 1170 sheets hence around £1,700 plus delivery.

Anyone gets funding let me know.

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I have a lead for 126 sheets of PETG --> link

Is this price fair?

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[afroleft]

Only drawback is it needs to be a pallet load of 1170 sheets hence around £1,700 plus delivery.

@KarlDunkerley how is 1mm thick?

Same supplier can do the following:

• 1mm thicket
• 3m x 2m
• Can to size for us
• 48 sheets left in stock
• £37.66
• Can buy as many as we want, no minimum

Anyone gets funding let me know.

Will chase up plans about this. @ajlennon could you tap Max Zadow on the shoulder to see if we have a status on the grant he was chasing?

Looking like a good time to set up a Crowd Fund to get the first batch over the line.

[KarlDunkerley]

Still thicker than a woodworking shop visor. they are usually 700micron or 0.7mm. Not a lot of bend and they need to wear them for 8 hours maybe. With 220micron plus foam and elastic they weigh 25-30 grams. Barely noticeable. On Monday, 30 March 2020, 15:56:04 BST, Tom Darlow notifications@github.com wrote:

Only drawback is it needs to be a pallet load of 1170 sheets hence around £1,700 plus delivery.

@KarlDunkerley how is 1mm thick?

Same supplier can do the following:

• 1mm thicket
• 3m x 2m
• Can to size for us
• 48 sheets left in stock
• £37.66
• Can buy as many as we want, no minimum

Anyone gets funding let me know.

Will chase up plans about this. @ajlennon could you tap Max Zadow on the shoulder to see if we have a status on the grant he was chasing?

Looking like a good time to set up a Crowd Fund to get the first batch over the line.

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[ajlennon]

Had this through from CoVid19 group @amcewen

Visors and elastic we will have large stocks at the central depot these can be ordered for your regions in multiples of 40 to make up small orders and have you deliver to the end user. This will be in addition to the ongoing completion of the big orders from the central depot.

[amcewen]

The infection control team I just had a meeting with preferred the OHP transparencies over the 220 micron polyprop for thickness, and thought the Prusa design and visor wasn't quite wide enough. The A4 on its long edge on the Verkstan design was decent.

If we can source lots of A4 OHP transparencies that would make manufacture much easier, as it's just a case of hold-punching them.

[ajlennon]

Will ping Duncan Nisbett as he's ringing around on plastics supplies now

[KarlDunkerley]

How many microns is the OHP? Did they rule out the 220micron or can we use it up?

[KarlDunkerley]

I now have a 4 hole punch from WHSmiths if you need it.

[ajlennon]

@KarlDunkerley I think we have one 4 hole somebody dropped off last night

[KarlDunkerley]

Hi, Do we have a consensus on how to clean hundreds of sheets of plastic as a lot of the stuff that comes is either dusty to begin with or acts like a dust magnet when handled? Did the infection control team say anything about it?

[amcewen]

We do have a 4-hole punch now. Dropped off this morning.

From our two orders, one wants OHP transparencies and one wants the 220 micron polyprop (so I expect 220micron transparent PETG would also be okay).

The OHP transparencies we've got here are (by my calipers, we don't have a micrometer sadly) 0.07mm and 0.1mm thick. That's 70 and 100 microns, and the 220 microns is 0.22mm (every day is a learning day!).

I'll update the description to pull together where things are.

[KarlDunkerley]

I have a backup if you need it. Not needed for mine. I can source 140, 180 and 240 Acetate cheaply. Surprised they want anything thinner as it feels v flimsy but hey ho! Have discovered I can laser cut 100s of foams whilst working on an IT Helpdesk and getting paid LOL. Am keen to know IPC view on hygiene given lack of sterile prod environment.

[KarlDunkerley]

The list of materials needed for the Foam Visors is as follows;

Approx A4 sheets of clear PETG/Polypropylene/PVC/Acetate in 140/180/220/240 micron. 25mm Elastic Strip EVA/Plastizote foam 10/12mm thick with reasonably smooth surfaces eg Gym/Yoga floor mats. 23/13 or 26/6 staples Stick on Velcro 20mm

Useful equipment includes;

18mm Snap Off Knife Heavy Duty Stapler capable of stapling 100 sheets of paper Standard office stapler Round Corner Cutter or 10mm Corner Cutter Pro Punch R10

Can someone post this on the new webpage in the Foam Visor section please.

Cheers

On Wednesday, 1 April 2020, 18:54:05 BST, Adrian McEwen <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

We do have a 4-hole punch now. Dropped off this morning.

From our two orders, one wants OHP transparencies and one wants the 220 micron polyprop (so I expect 220micron transparent PETG would also be okay).

The OHP transparencies we've got here are (by my calipers, we don't have a micrometer sadly) 0.07mm and 0.1mm thick. That's 70 and 100 microns, and the 220 microns is 0.22mm (every day is a learning day!).

I'll update the description to pull together where things are.

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[DuncN]

@KarlDunkerley can we chat about your source of clear plastic for the visors please?

07845618350

[plastictactics]

Closed on the basis that we have enough stock for now and that @amcewen and others will raise the alarm well before we run out.

[ajlennon]

If we get to the point we are thinking about more transparent material can we first discuss leveraging the national bulk buys for die-cut material (cheaper, more acceptable to NHS) before we make another order...

[KarlDunkerley]

Is Does doing anything on die-cutting?

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[ajlennon]

@KarlDunkerley I am working on it yes

[KarlDunkerley]

How's it going? Now i have an army I was thinking of branching out. My laser hates PP etc so decided against using it for this and now have a man with bandsaw to cut foams.

Cheers,

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@KarlDunkerley I am working on it yes

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[ajlennon]

We've got a job lot of die-cut visors and elastics coming into DoES on Wednesday/Thurday for local hubs in the North West.

NB. These aren't compatible with the current DoES design.

I'm also talking to 3D Crowd about the possibilty of die-cutting the bands as well, and also have calls in with local companies on this

Join in :)

[KarlDunkerley]

Count me in. Am talking to people who make dies. Very early days but has real potential for making at speed.

Cheers, On Tuesday, 14 April 2020, 13:47:43 BST, Alex Lennon notifications@github.com wrote:

We've got a job lot of die-cut visors and elastics coming into DoES on Wednesday/Thurday for local hubs in the North West.

NB. These aren't compatible with the current DoES design.

I'm also talking to 3D Crowd about the possibilty of die-cutting the bands as well, and also have calls in with local companies on this

Join in :)

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[ajlennon]

Awesome - OK can you talk to plf3 @KarlDunkerley ?

[ajlennon]

Also if you can call these guys @KarlDunkerley

[ajlennon]

And lastly (for now!) these guys @KarlDunkerley

Hi Alex,

Sorry for the late reply. I have been the main one experimenting with different head band designs, but I'm afraid I will have to refer you to my father Robert Fleming who is a company director at Flemings.

He knows the head band design well and has far greater knowledge of the moulding process than me. He will be able to discuss exactly what Flemings could do for you.

His mobile number is: 07811 416449 (He is in and out of the factory a lot, but you should be able to reach him anytime today).

Regards,

Tom Fleming From: Alex J Lennon ajlennon@dynamicdevices.co.uk Sent: 13 April 2020 20:36 To: Thomas Fleming tfleming14@outlook.com Subject: Re: Injection Moulded Visor Parts

Hi Tom,

Thanks for reaching out to us. This sounds an excellent process and is similar to conversations I've been having with the national 3DCrowd movement.

Can we organise a call tomorrow to align ourselves?

Warm Regards,

Alex Lennon

07478346120

On 13/04/2020 20:25, Thomas Fleming wrote:

Good Afternoon, I am contacting you on behalf of Flemings (https://www.flemingsropes.co.uk/) a family run packaging manufacturer in Warrington. After seeing the excellent work of yourselves and many others to produce PPE for Covid19 we began experimenting to see if our plastics machinery could help produce any of this equipment.

Working within the limitations of our existing plastic injection moulds for bag handles we have come up with a basic design for a head band to hold a visor (pictures attached). This should be able to accommodate average male and female head sizes although we realise this will not be suitable for all. The polythene used is very flexible allowing it to expand cling to different head sizes, whilst the narrowing of the internal band at the front of the design would create a small gap between the head and the plastic visor once this is fitted.

Our injection moulding machine is capable of producing the parts for one of these head bands roughly every 20 seconds and clipping these parts together takes around 30 seconds. As a manufacturer we buy plastic raw material and power in large quantities so it would only cost us 10p to produce each head band and we are willing to donate these to organisations who can fit visors to the product (if you think this can be done and the head band is good enough).

We aim to trial the adjustments needed to remove the handle elements from the moulding otherwise the handle loop would have to be trimmed off each moulding increasing assembly time slightly.

Please email Robert Fleming using robert@flemingsropes.co.uk if you think this design could work for your PPE production or if there is anything else we could help with.

Thank you for the excellent work you are doing.

Tom Fleming

[KarlDunkerley]

Is the URL accurate? No such site...

On Tuesday, 14 April 2020, 14:01:49 BST, Alex Lennon <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

Awesome - OK can you talk to plf3 @KarlDunkerley ?

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[KarlDunkerley]

Will call him after I've sent an email... On Tuesday, 14 April 2020, 14:07:22 BST, Alex Lennon notifications@github.com wrote:

And lastly (for now!) these guys @KarlDunkerley

Hi Alex,

Sorry for the late reply. I have been the main one experimenting with different head band designs, but I'm afraid I will have to refer you to my father Robert Fleming who is a company director at Flemings.

He knows the head band design well and has far greater knowledge of the moulding process than me. He will be able to discuss exactly what Flemings could do for you.

His mobile number is: 07811 416449 (He is in and out of the factory a lot, but you should be able to reach him anytime today).

Regards,

Tom Fleming From: Alex J Lennon ajlennon@dynamicdevices.co.uk Sent: 13 April 2020 20:36 To: Thomas Fleming tfleming14@outlook.com Subject: Re: Injection Moulded Visor Parts

Hi Tom,

Thanks for reaching out to us. This sounds an excellent process and is similar to conversations I've been having with the national 3DCrowd movement.

Can we organise a call tomorrow to align ourselves?

Warm Regards,

Alex Lennon

07478346120

On 13/04/2020 20:25, Thomas Fleming wrote:

Good Afternoon, I am contacting you on behalf of Flemings (https://www.flemingsropes.co.uk/) a family run packaging manufacturer in Warrington. After seeing the excellent work of yourselves and many others to produce PPE for Covid19 we began experimenting to see if our plastics machinery could help produce any of this equipment.

Working within the limitations of our existing plastic injection moulds for bag handles we have come up with a basic design for a head band to hold a visor (pictures attached). This should be able to accommodate average male and female head sizes although we realise this will not be suitable for all. The polythene used is very flexible allowing it to expand cling to different head sizes, whilst the narrowing of the internal band at the front of the design would create a small gap between the head and the plastic visor once this is fitted.

Our injection moulding machine is capable of producing the parts for one of these head bands roughly every 20 seconds and clipping these parts together takes around 30 seconds. As a manufacturer we buy plastic raw material and power in large quantities so it would only cost us 10p to produce each head band and we are willing to donate these to organisations who can fit visors to the product (if you think this can be done and the head band is good enough).

We aim to trial the adjustments needed to remove the handle elements from the moulding otherwise the handle loop would have to be trimmed off each moulding increasing assembly time slightly.

Please email Robert Fleming using robert@flemingsropes.co.uk if you think this design could work for your PPE production or if there is anything else we could help with.

Thank you for the excellent work you are doing.

Tom Fleming

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[KarlDunkerley]

Am currently in discussion with this outfit...

New message from: ksanolm (3,237)

Hello, Thank you so much for your message,yes we can make the item as the logo shown,but could i know in what size do you need?the price depends on the size of the item. Normally it will take 2-4 days on drawing and making (according to how complex the logo will be) ,then 1-2 days to arrange the sending according to orders one by one from different customers in sequence, and 4-7 business days on the way.but as the impact of the virus,it may a bit delay on the way,hope your kind understanding. Any question please feel free to contact us again. Kind regards.
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Can you do this sort of thing?

Also, how fast and how much would a pair cost?

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On Tuesday, 14 April 2020, 14:07:22 BST, Alex Lennon <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

And lastly (for now!) these guys @KarlDunkerley

Hi Alex,

Sorry for the late reply. I have been the main one experimenting with different head band designs, but I'm afraid I will have to refer you to my father Robert Fleming who is a company director at Flemings.

He knows the head band design well and has far greater knowledge of the moulding process than me. He will be able to discuss exactly what Flemings could do for you.

His mobile number is: 07811 416449 (He is in and out of the factory a lot, but you should be able to reach him anytime today).

Regards,

Tom Fleming From: Alex J Lennon ajlennon@dynamicdevices.co.uk Sent: 13 April 2020 20:36 To: Thomas Fleming tfleming14@outlook.com Subject: Re: Injection Moulded Visor Parts

Hi Tom,

Thanks for reaching out to us. This sounds an excellent process and is similar to conversations I've been having with the national 3DCrowd movement.

Can we organise a call tomorrow to align ourselves?

Warm Regards,

Alex Lennon

07478346120

On 13/04/2020 20:25, Thomas Fleming wrote:

Good Afternoon, I am contacting you on behalf of Flemings (https://www.flemingsropes.co.uk/) a family run packaging manufacturer in Warrington. After seeing the excellent work of yourselves and many others to produce PPE for Covid19 we began experimenting to see if our plastics machinery could help produce any of this equipment.

Working within the limitations of our existing plastic injection moulds for bag handles we have come up with a basic design for a head band to hold a visor (pictures attached). This should be able to accommodate average male and female head sizes although we realise this will not be suitable for all. The polythene used is very flexible allowing it to expand cling to different head sizes, whilst the narrowing of the internal band at the front of the design would create a small gap between the head and the plastic visor once this is fitted.

Our injection moulding machine is capable of producing the parts for one of these head bands roughly every 20 seconds and clipping these parts together takes around 30 seconds. As a manufacturer we buy plastic raw material and power in large quantities so it would only cost us 10p to produce each head band and we are willing to donate these to organisations who can fit visors to the product (if you think this can be done and the head band is good enough).

We aim to trial the adjustments needed to remove the handle elements from the moulding otherwise the handle loop would have to be trimmed off each moulding increasing assembly time slightly.

Please email Robert Fleming using robert@flemingsropes.co.uk if you think this design could work for your PPE production or if there is anything else we could help with.

Thank you for the excellent work you are doing.

Tom Fleming

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[ajlennon]

Is the URL accurate? No such site...

I see - have asked @DefProc on this

[ajlennon]

This is it @KarlDunkerley

http://pfl3.co.uk/contact.html

[ajlennon]

@KarlDunkerley @cheapjack says these guys might know die cutters too

http://www.thomasloughlin.co.uk/services/cut_fold.php

[KarlDunkerley]

Had these replies from a die cutter;

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On Tuesday, 14 April 2020, 14:07:22 BST, Alex Lennon <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

And lastly (for now!) these guys @KarlDunkerley

Hi Alex,

Sorry for the late reply. I have been the main one experimenting with different head band designs, but I'm afraid I will have to refer you to my father Robert Fleming who is a company director at Flemings.

He knows the head band design well and has far greater knowledge of the moulding process than me. He will be able to discuss exactly what Flemings could do for you.

His mobile number is: 07811 416449 (He is in and out of the factory a lot, but you should be able to reach him anytime today).

Regards,

Tom Fleming From: Alex J Lennon ajlennon@dynamicdevices.co.uk Sent: 13 April 2020 20:36 To: Thomas Fleming tfleming14@outlook.com Subject: Re: Injection Moulded Visor Parts

Hi Tom,

Thanks for reaching out to us. This sounds an excellent process and is similar to conversations I've been having with the national 3DCrowd movement.

Can we organise a call tomorrow to align ourselves?

Warm Regards,

Alex Lennon

07478346120

On 13/04/2020 20:25, Thomas Fleming wrote:

Good Afternoon, I am contacting you on behalf of Flemings (https://www.flemingsropes.co.uk/) a family run packaging manufacturer in Warrington. After seeing the excellent work of yourselves and many others to produce PPE for Covid19 we began experimenting to see if our plastics machinery could help produce any of this equipment.

Working within the limitations of our existing plastic injection moulds for bag handles we have come up with a basic design for a head band to hold a visor (pictures attached). This should be able to accommodate average male and female head sizes although we realise this will not be suitable for all. The polythene used is very flexible allowing it to expand cling to different head sizes, whilst the narrowing of the internal band at the front of the design would create a small gap between the head and the plastic visor once this is fitted.

Our injection moulding machine is capable of producing the parts for one of these head bands roughly every 20 seconds and clipping these parts together takes around 30 seconds. As a manufacturer we buy plastic raw material and power in large quantities so it would only cost us 10p to produce each head band and we are willing to donate these to organisations who can fit visors to the product (if you think this can be done and the head band is good enough).

We aim to trial the adjustments needed to remove the handle elements from the moulding otherwise the handle loop would have to be trimmed off each moulding increasing assembly time slightly.

Please email Robert Fleming using robert@flemingsropes.co.uk if you think this design could work for your PPE production or if there is anything else we could help with.

Thank you for the excellent work you are doing.

Tom Fleming

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[KarlDunkerley]

No reply to email or call from PFL but had this back from KSANOLM,

New message from: ksanolm (3,239)

Hello, Thank you so much for your reply, the item will be sent out from the Ireland warehouse,but sorry for we do not provide pick up service,as the warehouse is rent by us together with several our partners,it's not so convenient,hope your kind understanding. we will dispatch your item asap after getting your order.

For 10 items,if the logo generally will need more 2-3 days on making.Hope can help you.

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On Tuesday, 14 April 2020, 15:14:16 BST, Alex Lennon <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

This is it @KarlDunkerley

http://pfl3.co.uk/contact.html

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[ajlennon]

Hi @KarlDunkerley

• Who is the die cutter who replied?
• What can they do for the £85 ?
• What can they do to cut volumes of headbands and visor shields? And at what cost?

Thanks!

Alex

[KarlDunkerley]

The £85 is for a pair of dies. One for the main peice amd one for the thin strap. This is them... They are in Ireland. Custom Made Steel Rule Die Leather Punch Blade Leather Cutting Mold Craft Tool | eBay

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Not sure what you mean by last point... You stick them in a press and press. LOL. Should go through thin PP, maybe more than one sheet at a time.

Cheers

On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 11:35:18 BST, Alex Lennon <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

Hi @KarlDunkerley

• Who is the die cutter who replied?
• What can they do for the £85 ?
• What can they do to cut volumes of headbands and visor shields? And at what cost?

Thanks!

Alex

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[ajlennon]

So those dies are just for the band part not the visor part?

Well it sounds interesting. The next questiojn is what can we do with them in terms of cutting materials? Where ? What material ? What volumes before the die wears out?

[KarlDunkerley]

If you could get a press big enough you would presumably be able to cookie cutter a full visor shape. I am thinking of a 10ton workshop press. Approx £100-200 unless you know someone with a mechanic's garage.

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On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 11:51:47 BST, Alex Lennon <notifications@github.com> wrote:  

So those dies are just for the band part not the visor part?

Well it sounds interesting. The next questiojn is what can we do with them in terms of cutting materials? Where ? What material ? What volumes before the die wears out?

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[KarlDunkerley]

Yes. It is the hybrid visor design. Suspect similar price for visor but one step at a time. On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 11:51:47 BST, Alex Lennon notifications@github.com wrote:

So those dies are just for the band part not the visor part?

Well it sounds interesting. The next questiojn is what can we do with them in terms of cutting materials? Where ? What material ? What volumes before the die wears out?

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