Evolvee
commented
5 years ago Grounding Totem https://youtu.be/RbeqSGY0tM8?t=419 --> absorbs both fb and elementals fb that fired AFTER fb fired
https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/1682#issuecomment-141958648 --> grounding totem should absorb even procs from absorbed spells
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/2-0-1 -->
Fixed an issue where a spell with two procs would be reflected and one of the procs would still hit the player that reflected the spell.
^^ even two procs = 400ms + 400ms
Vanish FADE OUT TIME DELAY
=> This delay is tied to a mechanic called an "OBJECT DELAY"
On retail you could see Vanish buff in targets PlayerFrame buff bar before he actually disappeared --> that was the time frame where you could autoattack(we disabled that on NW) or spell cast into it and break the vanish... (note that the ability that breaks the vanish should most likely be applied on top of it as well - however, sometimes it isnt - dunno why) This is called fade-out time delay. I believe its way shorter duration than 400ms otherwise ppl would break vanish all the time = it must be another batch that doesnt perfectly sync with object-visibility delay...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF4Rx1sQYQU&feature=youtu.be&t=91
^^here you can see the vanish and stealth buffs before the player disappears Note, that GCD golden delay is not synced with this object/fade out vanish delay. You can see blind golden delay being executed and the player would disappear in like another 200ms, its not synced again..
This was the order:
- rogue trinketed
- enemy rogue casted vanish, instantly got vanish buff and stealth buff on himself = fade out time delay
- rogue in POV casted blind, got golden GCD delay
- golden GCD delay ended, enemy rogue still didnt disappear
- enemy rogue disappears
- vanish is canceled because rogue from POV casted the blind into the vanish while it was in fade out time delay
You can see literally the same scenario in clips that follow this timestamped one...
Another example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYUbaSCjCTU&feature=youtu.be&t=40 You see rogue vanishing and druid feral charing into it, removing the vanish and applying feral charge.
rogue had fade out time vanish delay on himself before feral charge was queued Note, that feral charge was executed instantly right after it was queued - there was no GCD golden delay.
You can see the rogue actually disappeared for a brief moment before getting "immune" message from druids feral charge and then appeared again due to vanish break by that feral charge.
https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/1122#issuecomment-191648653
Personally, I suspect that this has to do with the small amount of time where you can see the vanish buff being applied to your opponent and him disappearing. When I last played on the test server, this time window seemed unsually large (on retail, when I played as and against rogues, it was usually much shorter - anecdotal).
It might be, that auto attacks during this window (and spell casts) aren't stopped as they're supposed to be. It might be that all attacks should stop instantly, before the vanishing rogue even disappears from sight.
I specifcally remember when 3.0.2 came out and people played it, how important vanish not breaking was for mage/rogue. I remember watching them play and playing against them and having guildies complain, if it happened. But it definitely wasn't as frequent as "80% of vanishes in melee range". That's including the /stopattack for your own autohits of course. Not that I see the point of purposely recreating bugs if we're not having seal twisting anyway.
https://youtu.be/eIc9UzUCpF8?t=687
Here you can see it very clearly - vanish gets deleted by vampiric embrace and the embrace gets applied through vanish in delay,essentially removing both vanish and stealth. And gaining COMBAT at the exact same batch synced with the destealth and aura application batch:
Notable examples: https://youtu.be/RbeqSGY0tM8?t=206 --> U can clearly see both vanish AND stealth before he disappears
https://youtu.be/i0uFJeZOGuo?t=92 --> here you can see getting kidney shotted into vanish
https://youtu.be/Ri4otugfny0?t=464 --> this is old vanilla video, but here you can see Vurtne canceling vanish with counterspell
https://youtu.be/Ri4otugfny0?t=818 --> Again Vurtne canceling vanish with counterspell
https://youtu.be/WJTRmRIUvVA?t=371--> canceled vanish with fire blast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7wwsXO2Njc&feature=youtu.be&t=619 --> canceled vanish by i dont even know what
From warmane bugtracker:
(note that this is a report from ppl who didnt do the research as I did so they dont know about many things, so take it as a little bonus)
^^ This is the very first frame after Mind Flay debuff is visible. You can see its visual timer on the victim frame is not 100%, but rather around 80% full. This is because of aura application delay. If there was no aura application delay, you would see the first frame of mind flay as 100% full, but because its delayed, we cant see it until the appropriate batch gets executed.
The same exact effect happens at the end of the mind flay cast where you see 0 sec duration on the debuff, but the Mind Flay is still slowing down and able to reproduce one more last 3rd tick.
NO DELAY:
netherspite
NOTE THAT ALL EVIDENCE BELOW IS A MIX OF 2.0 - 2.4 PATCHES - SPELL DELAY WASNT THE SAME THE ENTIRE TIME
NOTE THAT THINGS LISTED HERE ARE JUST A SMALL % OF WHAT I ACTUALLY RESEARCHED, I JUST MOSTLY FORGOT TO NEED TO EVEN MENTION IT SINCE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS IM TAKING IT AS GRANTED ALREADY (open, sealed batches etc.)…
This post does in no way include all researched mechanics or the entire evidence/material for further research.
DISCLAIMER: ALL NETHERWING VIDEOS IN THIS POST WERE RECORDED DURING SUMMER 2017 WHEN WE FOCUSED ON SPELL DELAY --> before it got cucked by Wolfenstein due to his changes to core due to which he could no longer restore the initial version. (tldr: the current version, broken mess, is no longer the same as it was)
DISCLAIMER 2: Despite the army of devs and multimillionaire budget, Blizzard is extremely retarded and the entire game is a piece of shit from common sense and logic-wise when it comes to mechanics and their behavior.
Its worth to mention that the most effective classes for spell delay research were: 1) shadow priest (I wonder why 😉 ) 2) mage 3) rogue
The rest is mostly just confirming the mechanics shown in classes above or have some interesting exceptions to them.
This post is in no means finished and will get eventually updated if I continue my research some day.
Credits: Evolve (research part, bug-reporting, quality control afterwards) Wolfenstein (Implementation on Netherwing)
Btw, I dont know what random came up with it recently, but it is called nothing but SPELL DELAY! Not batching. Not spell batching. Not batch system. It is SPELL DELAY. (derived from Corecraft) Thanks for understanding.