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Extended version of the ERA Railway Infrastructure Ontology
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Definition of "track" not complete #23

Open gdschut opened 1 month ago

gdschut commented 1 month ago

Track (https://era-web.linkeddata.es/doc/index-en.html#Track) has a definition, but it contains the word "track" making it a reference to itself. Also it is not clear where a track starts and ends, and whether it is meant to be

gatemezing commented 2 weeks ago

Dear @gdschut, thank you for the point raised. My 2 cents below:

gdschut commented 2 weeks ago

The challenge is nog finding the legal definition, because as far as I know it does not exist. We live in Europe consisting of a lot of different countries, where even more IM's operate, all with their own definitions and models. The challenge for ERA is to find a generic model where alle IM's can put there data in, not to adapt one of the models of 1 IM. For track specific it took us about 3 years of conversations and resulting in an explaining document of several pages with a lot of drawings to explain the wording and definition we wanted to use. That is only for track. We are working with a team of about 10 during the last 10 years on our model and exchange format, and we only have to discuss with Dutch stakeholders. These things really takes a lot of time and effort.

The links you pointed to are all good, but not making complete definitions. Take for example both a design drawing and aerial photo, and ask yourself these questions when describing the tracks on it:

The same sort of questions can be asked for OP. The current definition of OP leaves a lot of space for IM to choose what is an OP for THEM. Resulting in a mess if you gather al the OP of EU. That is the reason it is almost impossible to make the link to PLC (which is a little more narrowed down with its definition) But even when the result of the TWG OP-PLC is implemented it does not result in a better list of OP. IT simply leaves too much space. Resulting in a hard to work with dataset for RU's. Because what is the worth of all those data if OP in one country can be a switch or a signal, and in another country it can be a couple of stations together?

The proof of the pudding is in the eating: If the data of RINF can be put in the new RINF model, resulting in a dataset, on which RU's can make their RCC and Routebook, and PLC's can be used as well other usecases supported, it is a good enough model.