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Simulations for the MOLLER Experiment at Jefferson Lab, http://moller.jlab.org
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Need checking of QWe and APV sign #86

Open wdconinc opened 6 years ago

wdconinc commented 6 years ago

Email discussion with @seamusriordan caused me to realize we may need to check the sign of both the weak charges in remollPhysicalConstants.hh and the parity-violating asymmetry, and this for Moller, for elastic Al and for elastic p.

Moller: image Elastic ep image Aluminum DS image Aluminum US image

cameronc137 commented 6 years ago

@rahmans1 has noticed that the Moller Asymmetry has switched from a positive sign to a negative sign at some point in the last year. Has there been an update on this issue recently?

wdconinc commented 6 years ago

E158 (https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ex/0504049) measured a negative asymmetry of -131 +/- 14 (stat.) +/- 10 (syst.) parts per billion by using the definition: image

MOLLER (http://hallaweb.jlab.org/12GeV/Moller/moller_final.pdf) uses: image

Apart for positive kinematic factors, 2 m E y = Q^2, it's clear that there's a sign difference. In my opinion, the sign of Q_W^e used in the MOLLER proposal is wrong, and should be (4 sin^2 theta_W - 1) instead. That is what we use in include/remollPhysicalConstants.hh

const double QWe =  -0.0435;  // arxiv 1302.6263 - KK's low Q2 EW review

and which is turned into an asymmetry in src/remollGenMoller.ss

G4double APV = electron_mass_c2*beamE*GF*4.0*sin(thcom)*sin(thcom)*(QWe+QWe_rad)/(sqrt(2.0)*pi*alpha*pow(3.0+cos(thcom)*cos(thcom),2.0));

In summary:

wdconinc commented 6 years ago

For aluminum elastic scattering:

  asym= -gf/(4.*pi*fine_structure_const*sqrt(2.)) * Q2/GeV/GeV * (qwp+qwn*(A-Z)/Z);

but where now qwn dominates and is essentially -1. A positive asymmetry ensues. The change in Q^2 between Qweak (APV(eAl) = 1.9 ppm) and here is about 11^2 due to E_in*E_out but similarly there's a factor (12 deg / 20 mrad)^2 due to the angles that cancels this...

cameronc137 commented 6 years ago

Ok, I think I remember following some discussion of this in meetings a while ago. Has this change of sign been incorporated into remoll? And if so, for what release version (or commit if it is older) does it get introduced?

wdconinc commented 6 years ago

It got introduced a looooong time ago (2014 if I recall). But because some branches diverged from master even loooooooonger ago this issue just keeps cropping up when people use those branches. It has been correct in every release.

wdconinc commented 6 years ago

Qwe originally introduced with incorrect sign in aaacad6a6df8016d6c922d4b9c8f2de96eced0dd

Sign fixed in 3535efd14131290c3f31f3b2511f1439b9573cc5