Closed zhangmuElias closed 8 months ago
Hi @zhangmuElias you wrote that the left end of plate is fixed, but i can't seem to find such a boundary condition. In fact, I don't think I can find any bc for the plate.
Dear @keiyamamo, thanks for replying. In fact I still used the name barwall
for the left circle bc of the plate, which has the id of 15.
Do you think it's enough?
Dear all:
To update, I tested other mesh models for the case file I attached above.
It is surprising that the Laplace mesh model with volume_change
, constant
and small_constant
successfully simulates this case with water as the fluid medium. The strange velocity surge near the head and tail of the plate disappears.
Therefore at least there are no missing settings in my attached case file above.
I guess when the fluid viscosity changes from 1 [Pa.s] to 1e-3 [Pa.s], the diffusion effect decreases which might make the solver numerically unstable. The Laplace mesh model may serve itself as an extra diffusion term to stabilise the solver.
I also tried different parameters of alpha_u
in Biharmonic model from 0.01 to 0.1 to 1 to 10, but all of them failed with the same problem I reported above.
There is a possibility Biharmonic model may have some difficulties in dealing with low-viscosity problems, I need to check it from articles. I am not sure about the exact reason. Did you try using the Biharmonic model in fluids like air or water before? It might help if others can share experiences.
Figure: the result of the reduced scaled case with water as fluid (Re=200)
Best regards ZHANG
Hi @zhangmuElias
Good to know it worked. I don’t have much experience with biharmonic model, thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Dear @keiyamamo, then in case of fsi problem, which mesh model do you use? Although the Laplace model can eliminate the velocity and pressure surge problem in the low viscosity situation, I also found that whenever the displacement is a little bit too large, the Newton solver will diverge. So this modification of biharmonic to Laplace can only partly solve this problem.
I use Laplace model and it works fine for us because the displacement is not so large. One thing that I noticed now is that your mesh size changes dramatically from boundary layer to adjacent cells. Additionally, I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to have boundary layer around the moving object since boundary layer cells have skewed shape, potentially causing “crash” of cells when deformed.
Dear @keiyamamo, thanks for noticing me about the mesh.
I also tested the original benchmark case TF_fsi
inside the file folder problems
. It also diverged at time t=3.7s, and I noticed that it was the time when the plate started to vibrate. But, as shown in the article "Slyngstad, Andreas Strøm. Verification and Validation of a Monolithic Fluid-Structure Interaction Solver in FEniCS. A comparison of mesh lifting operators. MS thesis. 2017." the laplace model can at least handle the fsi2 and fsi3 benchmark case. I am not sure why the TF_fsi
using laplace diverged in my computer, have you tried that?
Figure: The result of TF_fsi case at the last time step
Hi @zhangmuElias Unfortunately, no. I have only tried biharmonic type for TF_fsi problem.
Dear @keiyamamo , ok I see, thanks!
Dear @keiyamamo , in these days' tests, I found the parameter of the biharmonic model $\alpha_U$ should be reduced for low-viscosity fluid. In my case, when $\alpha_U$ equals 1e-8, the problem I reported above can be solved.
Dear @zhangmuElias , thank you for sharing it with us and good to know it worked for you! Please feel free to close the issue.
ok, dear @keiyamamo , thanks for the discussion with me!
Dear everyone,
To use water as the fluid medium, I made some changes to the benchmark case
TF_fsi
. In order to keep the Reynolds number still be 200, I reduced the size of the entire computing domain by a factor of 100, and the inflow velocity $U_m$ by a factor of 10. This case can run well when the plate is rigid. However, when I added the solid plate part and activated the solid solver, some strange velocity and pressure surge emerged at the FSI surface near the free and fixed end of the plate, as you can see in the following figures. Do you know why this happened and how we can ovoid this problem?The case and mesh file are also attached.
cylinderflap_tail_head_cy2_4D_bl.zip
Figure 1 Geometry and mesh
Figure 2 Results of rigid plate
Figure 3 Results of elastic plate