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Soft mute buttons #971

Open unfa opened 10 years ago

unfa commented 10 years ago

Hey! Mute buttons generate audible clicks.

If they could behave more gently, they'd be of more use with automation.

The best thing ever would be to have a knob controlling each instrument's mutebuttons "fade time". Sometimes these clicks are desired, sometimes not.

Same with FX-mixer strips.

What do you think?

Umcaruje commented 10 years ago

I agree that the clicks should be prevented, but the fade shouldn't be controllable imho. It should just be very short so it would prevent the clicks but for any longer fades automation should be used.

unfa commented 10 years ago

Sometimes I'd like to have these clicks - for some oldschool feel. Or be able to control their strength. However the soft muting with no options would still be far better than what is now.

Umcaruje commented 10 years ago

Then a simple toggle in the setting could work - "Enable auto fade when muting tracks"

DeRobyJ commented 10 years ago

You may want to have clicks on some instruments, soft but strong mute on some others, soft and slow mute on others. So no, I don't think a setting would be good. Unfa's knob idea would be better imo, but for instruments only: for FX strips you can just automate the volume °-°

unfa commented 10 years ago

AFAIK automating faders makes zipper noise too (even with slow action) - ecpecially audible on sub bass instruments. Plus the faders are not an easy way to mute - you have to remember the previous level and it all becomes very complicated. If in need - I add an amplifier plugin and automate it's dry/wet when the "volume" knob is set to a desired position - this way I don't need to change automation when I want to change the levels.

DeRobyJ commented 10 years ago

About the zipper noise, it would be the same even if you do it with a solf mute, I don't see the difference. And now you actually have two "volumes" for every FX strip: the volume and the Send-to-Master knob, and you can add an infinite number of volumes with those effects that can lower the amplitude without tweaking the sound. And then now automations are lines between two points, so it is a lot easier toget the initial value you had put before.

My opinion xD

diizy commented 10 years ago

On 07/11/2014 03:59 PM, unfa wrote:

AFAIK automating faders makes zipper noise too (even with slow action)

No they don't on master.

tobydox commented 10 years ago

Yeah why not simply automating the volume knob or (as suggtested the FX fader) instead of the mute button? The volume knob automation is going to be continuous and sample-exact so IMHO there's no need for adding more functionality/complexity to the mute button.

Umcaruje commented 10 years ago

@tobydox I think the soft mute should be there for live purposes, since clicks while muting a track can get quite annoying and Pulling volume up and down all the time isn't very pleasant.

diizy commented 10 years ago

On 07/11/2014 06:48 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote:

Yeah why not simply automating the volume knob or (as suggtested the FX fader) instead of the mute button? The volume knob automation is going to be continuous and sample-exact so IMHO there's no need for adding more functionality/complexity to the mute button.

It already is that in master :)

Soft mute could easily be implemented as a very simple LADSPA plugin though. 1 knob, 1 toggle led... This would be like 15 minutes of coding for someone practicing their C. LADSPA is a very simple and easy format...