LagoLunatic
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6 years ago Yo StarStalker!
In the most recent DoS seed I played, I had to use a Cutall special to trigger a switch so I could progress. I'm pretty sure you already said this once so sorry in advance, but I forgot; are Cutall specials considered a movement upgrade/option by the randomizer logic? I'm pretty sure I got mine from a world spawn, so I figured it was the case, and I also just checked that I had the option to sell it. If those can be required to progress it might be a good idea to also make them unsellable, just like Mina's Talisman?
Cutall special can be required if you checked "Allow requiring glitches to win", but otherwise it shouldn't happen. The randomizer does makes the cutall unsellable if you have that option checked, but if unchecked cutall isn't considered a progression item. You might want to check the spoiler log entry to be sure there wasn't any other way to progress, if you don't see one paste the seed info from the spoiler log here and I'll check to see if that seed was bugged.
Item Name randomizer (as in scramble around the names of all the Items, not sure if it's possible) Item Icon randomizer (same as above but with icons) Enemy Names randomizer (again, scrambling around enemy names, could be funny)
These would be quite easy to do. In terms of affect on gameplay, I'm worried that randomizing both the names and icons of items with hardcoded affects (like Death Ring) would make it impossible to know that the item has a special effect. If I add exceptions for certain items and don't touch them it would be fine, then these should be nice silly little options.
BGM randomizer (also not sure if it's possible but could be lots of fun if possible)
Also easy, I actually already tried this once but I made the mistake of allowing literally any song to be BGM. Turns out having boss music, ambience, or complete silence as the BGM of half the areas is boring. This should be fun as long as I limit it to BGM only.
Also why not go the extra mile and maybe randomize the dialog? Scrambling around the words, just like the other ones? (this one I feel like it could take a long while to make it work, IF its even possible)
I don't think shuffling the words would yield interesting results, it would be pretty much unreadable:
the been the 2035, my learned of of but was thought my possessed from since the the I his Ever that life the and never I About over... It Dracula... a then, That of then solar that in was eclipse brink. has me, castle troubles I, realized power to friends me am evil souls enemies. the since same. has Cruz, were the that pulled I That almost power my my year engulfed passed I truth...Soma seize It rebirth
Though you just reminded me of a silly rom hack I saw a while ago, called Kronos Trigger. It took the entire script of a game (Chrono Trigger) and converted it between a ton of different languages using google translate, then back to English. I'm not sure if it's even possible to implement that in a randomizer while still obeying the game's text formatting rules, but if you wanted wacky...
Ecological eclipse of 2035 My life is never the same. Notez Soma Cruz, Dracula Rebirth ... kale I've learned the truth ... I have to take advantage of the power Spirit of my enemies. There is almost the power of evil I swallow, but my friends I shot at the edge of the river. A year ago Since then, and I think My problem ended ...
I think this would qualify.
And one more thing, since I've been typing/talking for so long already, Rom mentioned in one of his streams that he'd like to have people race in this randomizer at some point (I assume just like the alttp rando racing hype that's been going around), since it's sooooo good and well made. I thought it might be a good idea to let you know that, and maybe you could show up there one day we're doing CV related stuff to talk about it in specifics? 😄 Or at any time really, we'd love to have you there any day!
I'd love to watch rom's streams more often! Unfortunately in my time zone his streams usually start after midnight and end around morning. Excluding one time that he streamed way earlier, I've only been able to watch his streams live by staying up all night so I can't do it on a regular basis.
I don't know much about racing myself, but a couple of my beta testers have been doing races of the beta 1.2 version. They've had some good suggestions to make the randomizer better for racing: I've implented an optional Short Mode for PoR, which cuts the number of portraits in the game from 8 to 4 to make races feel less slow and tedious, and I made some balance changes like not allowing Death Ring as a random drop since it can be unfair in races.
That's all I got, JEEZ I typed a lot, sorry for the wall of text (still better than OP 20 Fish head walls though Kappa), can't wait for 1.2 version to come out! Hope you're having fun with this cause it sure is fun to play it! Again, thank you so much for doing this!
I can't wait to release 1.2 either, it's got lot of features I think people will like! My current plan is to finish up DSVEdit 1.7 since it has HoD support and a lot of bug fixes people are waiting for, then I'm gonna finish up the last bit of work necessary to get the room randomizer working with PoR (it already works for DoS and OoE). Then 1.2 should be ready to release.
aStarStalker
Heyy Lago! Long time no see!
I hope you've been doing good. Probably been busy trying to make these map randomizers work, am I right?! ^o^' So, anyways, since I know you're probably working hard right now to finish the 1.2 version, I don't expect these requests to be carried out (if at all) in the near future, but I thought I might as well share some of em before I end up forgetting them, and ask something while I'm at it too
In the most recent DoS seed I played, I had to use a Cutall special to trigger a switch so I could progress. I'm pretty sure you already said this once so sorry in advance, but I forgot; are Cutall specials considered a movement upgrade/option by the randomizer logic? I'm pretty sure I got mine from a world spawn, so I figured it was the case, and I also just checked that I had the option to sell it. If those can be required to progress it might be a good idea to also make them unsellable, just like Mina's Talisman?
As for the wacky requests, those are pretty much just options I've seen in a few randomizers and found them to be quite funny (and wacky).
Since those are all so wacky, of course they would go in the Optional/Experimental category, if they were a thing, and possibly as individual options since having them all checked would make for a WACKY run! (and not everyone likes to go all wacky, unfortunately :/ )
Again, since I know you have quite a few things to do I don't expect any of these to be a thing in the near future and some of em are also pretty bad Ideas LuL but I thought it might be fun to have em around at some point!
And one more thing, since I've been typing/talking for so long already, Rom mentioned in one of his streams that he'd like to have people race in this randomizer at some point (I assume just like the alttp rando racing hype that's been going around), since it's sooooo good and well made. I thought it might be a good idea to let you know that, and maybe you could show up there one day we're doing CV related stuff to talk about it in specifics? 😄 Or at any time really, we'd love to have you there any day!
That's all I got, JEEZ I typed a lot, sorry for the wall of text (still better than OP 20 Fish head walls though Kappa), can't wait for 1.2 version to come out! Hope you're having fun with this cause it sure is fun to play it! Again, thank you so much for doing this!