Discuss IDEs

[milleniumbug]

Which IDEs will go to the awesome list?

[nabijaczleweli]

None of them

[ghost]

I think VS is awesome, but there's a lot of VC hate around here to just count this as a vote.

Eclipse sucks

Lots of people are really happy with an elaborate vim/ST setup. Probably gotta ask them.

[nabijaczleweli]

Neither VIM nor ST3 are IDEs, so they don't count, despite being dope for C++ dev.

@kbok does VisualClang++ work yet?

[ghost]

nah

[nabijaczleweli]

Until then :-1: for VS

[Morwenn]

Code::Blocks is pretty decent but far from being awesome. I liked Netbean's syntax highlighting but that's pretty much the only thing I liked about it.

[nabijaczleweli]

Each time I've heard about C::B was in negative contexts, so :-1: from me on that.

[rightfold]

Vim

[nabijaczleweli]

Vim is not an IDE.

[ghost]

:+1: for vim. When you consider the integration of git, autocompletion, build system, docs, it's foolish to say that it's not an IDE.

[nabijaczleweli]

It's a text editor, not an IDE. Vim doesn't have autocompletion (nor many other things) in and of itself.

[ghost]

What's itself? Nobody uses vanilla vim. Nobody uses vanilla eclipse platform either, and then argues that it's not an IDE because it doesn't have the autocompletion plugin if you consider the vanilla version that doesn't have it. IDEs are modular, so a given configuration of vim which does everything an IDE does, is an IDE.

[milleniumbug]

Should we put vim on the awesome list, let's list the plugins we consider awesome together with it.

IOW let the entry be

Vim + plugin1 + plugin2 + plugin3

instead of

Vim

the same way you wouldn't list (for example) Eclipse, only Eclipse CDT.

[Morwenn]

Agreed: if the default plagins are not enough, let's list the plugins required to make some IDE/text editor awesome.

[rightfold]

POSIX is my favourite IDE.

[ghost]

@rightfold instead of rightfolding, can you tell us about the plugins you use for C++? Also summoning @sehe, since he will probably also have a contribution to make.

[nabijaczleweli]

@rightfold POSIX is a set of documents, and as such it cannot be an IDE

[Rerito]

Alrighty then, for Vim I like the following plugins: vim-fugitive (git integration), YouCompleteMe (autocompletion, dope with C++) - requires Clang -, NERDTree (embedded file explorer), gundo (operations history tracking), zeavim (zeal integration for offline docs)

[rightfold]

Pizza Vim-fungitive.

[nabijaczleweli]

Bestow us your knowledge, @sehe

[ThePhD]

QtCreator is okay, but my only experience with it has been inside of a VM. It also frustrated me because it would throw out my configurations for debug/run when I switched the computers which the project file would open on, without fail. That was always fun...

[sehe]

Vim is not an IDE. But it's better at all the tasks IDEs commonly perform for C++.

Clion could have an edge for the future (integrated "visual" debugging and actual refactorings?)

[nabijaczleweli]

Vim is not an IDE.

That we've determined already.

it's better [...] [than] IDEs

What plugins make it better, @sehe?

[sehe]

Vim is already better.

The plugins make it even better.

Here's my list roughly (it varies)

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gist-vim
gv.vim
jellybeans.vim
lilypond
nerdcommenter
taglist
textobj-word-column.vim
tinyurl.vim
vim-airline
vim-characterize
vim-commentary
vim-dispatch
vim-fugitive
vim-markdown
vim-misc
vim-monokai
vim-obsession
vim-repeat
vim-sensible
vim-surround
vim-tbone
vim-unimpaired
vim-vinegar
YouCompleteMe

[sehe]

Frankly the only one that really matters in terms of IDE-fähigkeiten is YouCompleteMe