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Added Chaos does literally nothing for Herald of Agony? #1241

Open AngryRoleplayer opened 6 years ago

AngryRoleplayer commented 6 years ago

But why, since HoaG is marked as a chaos skill? It does not scale with Chaos Damage at all??

Openarl commented 6 years ago

Are you referring to the support gem? It is definitely applying correctly for me. If you mean added Chaos from other sources, then that won't apply because the Agony Crawler is a minion, and doesn't benefit from non-minion modifiers.

AngryRoleplayer commented 6 years ago

Are you referring to the support gem? It is definitely applying correctly for me. If you mean added Chaos from other sources, then that won't apply because the Agony Crawler is a minion, and doesn't benefit from non-minion modifiers.

Skill gem, yes. Herald of Agony has a Chaos tag on it, but from what i see in PoB, Added Chaos increases damage by 3%, yet Void Manipulation increases by 28%. This is just unrealistic, since Crawler does attacks only, and huge flat chaos damage should be just as good, if not better than Void. Just like for Toxic Rain, for example. This is clearly something wrong with Herald scaling. How much of it's damage is chaos at all?

Openarl commented 6 years ago

Oh, so it is actually doing something; I though you were implying that it was having no effect at all.

There isn't actually anything wrong with the minion's scaling as far as I can tell; the reason that Added Chaos Support has so little effect is that the Virulence stacks give the minion an enormous amount of flat Physical Damage (1800 to 3360 at level 20 with 40 stacks), and the support gem grants a much lower amount, hence the minimal effect.

AngryRoleplayer commented 6 years ago

Oh, so it is actually doing something; I though you were implying that it was having no effect at all.

There isn't actually anything wrong with the minion's scaling as far as I can tell; the reason that Added Chaos Support has so little effect is that the Virulence stacks give the minion an enormous amount of flat Physical Damage (1800 to 3360 at level 20 with 40 stacks), and the support gem grants a much lower amount, hence the minimal effect.

That sounds realistic, but still, how much of a minions base damage is considered as chaos damage? Is it converted from physical. like Toxic Rain? Assuming it adds so much phys to it per stack, yet Void Manipulation gives about 30% more CHAOS damage. It means Herald has quite a lot of chaos base damage on it. Do you have a data on that? Or all phys added damage automatically considered as chaos?

Openarl commented 6 years ago

The Agony Crawler has an implicit 40% Physical to Chaos conversion, but the base damage is pure Physical.