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slevin75 on Nov 22, 2021 Maintainer I agree with avoiding a lot of those in the first list although DH23 is on my short list of keepers even though it uses the flood threshold. That 1.67 yr threshold is, I think, a surragate for bankfull flow and I know that is used by a lot of sediment folks as a critical flow threshold for sediment transport. I think the duration above that threshold is what they used in that recent Gervasi paper that we had talked about a couple weeks ago. The only place this might be an issue is if the peak flow values had zeros. I don't know how much of an issue this is in our area - a stream would have to be dry for an entire year to have a zero peak flow value. There are some other high flow durations in there that use quantile thresholds instead of the flood threshold and I don't know how that would compare to the flood durations and if is meaningful for sediment dynamics.
I am a little overwhelmed by the sheer number of potential metrics here and I don't feel like I know enough about sediment transport to know which ones would be the most meaningful. How many do we want on our final list to predict? I wonder if it would be worth getting some input from a geomorphologist to help narrow down our short list? I work with Faith Fitzpatrick a bit and I feel like she would be very insightful into which metrics are worth our time.
jds485 on Nov 22, 2021 Maintainer Author For DH23, see comment here about the durations being cut off at the beginning and end of the water / calendar year.
Yes, it is a lot of metrics. Even removing these metrics, we would have ~50 to evaluate. I am not worried about computation time to train models for that many metrics, but it would be helpful to make sure we've captured metrics that are meaningful for geomorphology, and that we're not missing important ones. We can discuss in our meeting today if/when we should schedule a call with Faith or others.
slevin75 on Nov 22, 2021 Maintainer DH 23/24 are not defined as pulse (event) durations, they are just the mean number of days per year above the threshold so I feel like it is ok if it is cutting through an event. Does seem weird to do that for DH22 though.
jds485 on Nov 22, 2021 Maintainer Author That's a good catch - I agree that's less of a concern for DH23/24. Exceedances may not be independent from one year to the next (peaks over threshold problem), but I think it's okay to use these metrics for long-term averages
cstillwellusgs on Nov 22, 2021 Maintainer Will we be able to talk through the metrics during today's meeting? I haven't had a chance to look yet but I think it would be good to brainstorm together.
Charlie 1 reply @jds485 Comment options jds485 on Nov 22, 2021 Maintainer Author Yes, I've blocked off time for us to discuss today
Discussed in https://github.com/USGS-R/regional-hydrologic-forcings-ml/discussions/14