Nonsensical workings of communication score system and its rampant abuse

[GangySVK]

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When exactly are you guys going to address the comically insane system you so nonchalantly deployed?

3 weeks ago I had 11700 comm score, throughout a month of my gameplay a message informing me im being reported above average popped up for me very game, even tho I couldn even remember when was the last time I got mad or told someone off, there was absolutely nothing in my comm history (at least I thought so at the time) to mark my account so I didnt pay much attention to it, as my comm score kept consistently rising despite said warning - which is absolutely absurd by the way and highlights the insanity of your system.

Suddenly, in a range of 2 days, my comm score dropped by almost 2000 and I had no idea what the hell even triggered it. Then I started paying attention to what is happening and what I found out is just out of this world, I honestly cant say if you guys are trolling the community or are absolutely incompetent at this point.

My comm score was dropped by 2000 right after a streak of around 12 games in a row (played on EU west servers with english language set as preffered - things that do not mean anything because of how poorly they are enforced) where I got a team of at least 3, if not 4 russians/ukrainians writing and shouting things in cyrilic/russian language, and when I dared to say "this is EU server, speak english so I can understand otherwise I will mute you" I got automatically reported for comm abuse by 70% of the players according to opendota stats, which resulted in my comm score being dropped by 2000 points in a span of two days.

Do you understand the issue that I just reported? A player speaking english language, playing on EU west servers, with english language set as preffered merely asks russian parties to speak english otherwise he will mute them as there is no point in listening to ramblings in russian language for him - and HE IS THE ONE PENALIZED FOR COMMUNICATION ABUSE.

Now as insane and absurd as that is, I noticed that my comm score is not rising even tho I stopped requesting mentally unstable russian speakers to speak english on EU servers so I dont get reported for literally askinng to follow the games rules and the most basic common sense, not only it was not rising - it kept declining. I could not understand what in the world is happening and then I noticed that in few of the games I suddenly got "muted for the rest of the match" and my voice comms got blocked.

You want to know how that happened? In one of the games I said "that was fucking amazing", approximately 30 seconds after that a guy says "sry muting you all, im listening to music" and BOOM I suddenly got muted for the rest of the match and my comms score dropped for 300 points right after that. Wow, just wow. Your imbecilic automated system flagged my message as "toxic" because of a curseword and in combination with me being muted by a single player, system stripped me of any comm priviledges and subtracted hundreds of points from my comm score again. Amazing.

In another game, a carry I supported said "nigga pls block the camp", 10 minutes later he praised me for a play I made and I typed "Im your nigger, dont worry bro". 5 minutes later a clearly unstable guy that could not for the world stop attacking my teammates muted me, because I typed "im done with you dude, muted", he replied "same" and BOOM, I have been muted for the rest of the match with another almost 400 points subtracted from my comm score after the game. The toxic player attacking others was not, no, it was me for using something your demented system apparently recognises as "racial slur" and since I already had a low comm score and another player muted me (for daring to tell him I am muting him, because I refuse to lisiten to him any longer).

Absurdity after absurdity, the more I started paying attention to the exact words I use and the timing of the triggers, the more I realized this new scoring system for which I was honestly stoked at the beginning is completely insane and broken, aswell as regularly abused by parties of players invading EU servers and refusing to speak english, not only that - reporting anyone who requests them to.

Combine that with obviously abhorrent weight system you set your system to use - 40 commends in the span of 6 games + 3 reports for comm abuse = 450 comms points subtracted, I actually do not know if I can continue playing this game. What kind of logic is that? Do you know how absolutely insanely frustrating it is to receive commends from almost every member of your team plus some enemies, being literally praised in after-game chat as "oh my god youre nice bro" and still seeing your comm score falling and falling? How the hell am I meant to stop this completely broken and inescapeable spiral? By not communicating at all? IN A TEAM BASED ONLINE GAME DEPENDENT ON COLLABORATION? WHAT??!

Do not get me wrong - I am a dota player for more than 17 years by now, I am fully aware of how toxic this community always have been and its only been getting worse by the rampage of mental disorders and general mental instability over past few years, I am rooting for this system to work and to condition players to behave like humans between each other, but the current state is so tragically undercooked and insanity inducing you are literally forcing non-toxic members of community to stop play the game completely.

I have combed through this git for a few minutes and I can see that a good chunk of the bug reports being about comm/behaviour system behaving unexpectedly without a single answer in any of them. Now of course, we can ignore a good half of them by deducing those are the rotten apples that need to be conditioned just lashing out because they are finally meeting consequences after years of being accustomed to toxicity as being natural, but almost nothing I have personally endured over past few weeks in the context of comm score system can be considered natural, logical or working as intended.

When and how are you planning on addressing this absurd problem? The issue reports are clearly being looked at since you are deleting all the @mention comments, yet you cannot be bothered to actually reply to any of them or do at least a basic profilaxy or monitoring of the system it seems. You ignore the problem for everyone except a few pro players/talent members that make waves on socials about it.

So the question we have to ask is simple but very relevant - are you trying to kill off your own game?

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[NAlexP]

Looks to me like it's just in your head.

[GangySVK]

Looks to me like it's just in your head.

A player reporting as a bug that he cannot get out of low priority pool as a result of overwatch cases, reacting to my issue just for the pure spite in being told his issue is nonsensical. Being so toxic in the game that you are unable to get out of low prio is clearly not enough for you, you have to flaunt the same exact irrational toxicity even on github forums, still being absolutely sure in your delusion that it is the game, not you thats the problem.

Okay mate, you must have a lots of friends.

/edit: Brother I am not responding to you anymore, I will not participate in your psychosis. Good luck in life.

[NAlexP]

Looks to me like it's just in your head.

A player reporting as a bug that he cannot get out of low priority pool as a result of overwatch cases, reacting to my issue just for the pure spite in being told his issue is nonsensical. Being so toxic in the game that you are unable to get out of low prio is clearly not enough for you, you have to flaunt the same exact irrational toxicity even on github forums, still being absolutely sure in your delusion that it is the game, not you thats the problem.

Okay mate, you must have a lots of friends.

Seems like you also don't like it when a clueless idiot comes and gives their opinion on an issue they have no clue about. Cool taste of your own medicine, init.

[lewisdiamond]

I got automatically reported for comm abuse by 70% of the players according to opendota stats

Where are those stats on opendota?

[Questy33]

Don't confuse Russians and Ukrainians. It's not the same thing.

[NAlexP]

Don't confuse Russians and Ukrainians. It's not the same thing.

Get your shitty politics out of here. They're all the same to me if they play on the wrong server on the wrong language and ruin games.

EDIT: MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A HARD LANGUAGE LOCK, EVEN IF IT WILL MAKE THE RUSSIAN POPULATION MAD THAT THEY ONLY GET TO PLAY AMONG THEMSELVES. MAYBE IT'S BEEN TIME FOR THAT FOR 12 YEARS NOW. ONE LANGUAGE PER PERSON AND A "WRONG LANGUAGE" REPORT, THAT DOESN'T MUTE PEOPLE BUT FORCES THEM TO ANOTHER LANGUAGE.

[Diglerharibo]

Bro, i feel your porblem same. I played maybe 60-100 games last two months and my behavior only became lower and lower (i played all games all mute, without griefing on my actual rank. My commends in my profile are freezed and don't change for the same last two months. By the way it is the most important part of behavior score increasing. TWO months, bro, devs are braindead.

[NAlexP]

Bro, i feel your porblem same. I played maybe 60-100 games last two months and my behavior only became lower and lower (i played all games all mute, without griefing on my actual rank. My commends in my profile are freezed and don't change for the same last two months. By the way it is the most important part of behavior score increasing. TWO months, bro, devs are braindead.

They are working on fRoStIvUs, so that everyone playing it will enjoy playing muted and with 0 behaviour.

[NAlexP]

To expand on the post: A dev fucked up an if statement when trying to create the logic for the comms score. They want to peg it to behaviour after it falls below 6000. Why that is evades me, as people can still(could still?) get reported past the 6000 mark for toxic chat even though it is impossible to type anymore. It might have been a response to one of my earlier issues(#13029 ) I opened complaining about this exact garbage.

If the behaviour score is above 6000, or above the comms score(?), everything gets fucked, as it seems no logic has been added in the if statement for this specific "edge" case. We are in the situation of having comms score stuck because the developers at Volvo are actually unpaid interns that barely graduated middle school and are having a really hard time with if statement logic.

I'm sitting here, reverse engineering code I didn't write and can't even fucking see, and they can't fix this issue with access to the codebase and a list of all commits. Let that sink in. Can't or won't?

[NAlexP]

13000 #13340

[evgeni-manchev]

How many millions of dollars from compendiums and cosmetics are needed to hire competent developers?

[NAlexP]

How many millions of dollars from compendiums and cosmetics are needed to hire competent developers?

They never were competent and never will be. Once every quarter century, they get one good idea and implement it well, then they get their egos stroke by morons, only for them to fuck up and double down on fuckups for the following while. It's a cycle, and we're not in the good part of it.

[UAC-EXPERT]

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