Delete personal site

[netzwerg]

Could you please remove my outdated site (http://wiki.c2.com/?RahelLuethy) or explain how to delete it myself? Tia!

PS: The link in the footer points to this repo, but it doesn't seem to host the source...

[WardCunningham]

This site is frozen as a historical artifact. We don't provide any mechanism for end user editing. The page you cite is dated so any reader can assume it is outdated.

[netzwerg]

Hmm, that’s unfortunate. How is this compatible with GDPR, the European data protection law? Specifically with Art. 17 GDPR Right to erasure (‘right to be forgotten’)?

[btrower]

Rahel, yours seemed like a nice entry on C2. TBH, I would be sad to see it go.

I have promised to jump into the fray to help update things just a couple of weeks from now -- July 2. I have a reminder on my calendar to start to gather information so I can hit the ground running a little before that.

If you can bear with me/us, I will do my best to comply with your wishes. Again, sad to see you go. We certainly should have mechanisms that allow us to comply with legislation. Honoring wishes to expunge personal information should be important regardless of legislation. I will not, though, that eliminating target links if someone has made the reference can make sites annoying to use. I would be inclined to have a short welcome blurb saying that everyone should make a good faith effort to keep links intact. I think that people should be able to work under vested anonymous identities anyway, so maybe we could work that into the design somehow.

I have been a Wikipedia 'editor' for more than a decade, but I'm pretty weak at that, and weaker still with respect to various maintenance infrastructure. Regardless of whether or not we use MediaWiki or some derivative, I think it would be helpful to have people from Wikipedia review what is happening so they can offer suggestions as to best practices, various pitfalls, etc.

Anybody who sees this who has stuff that will help me ramp up, please pass it on. I am somewhat familiar with wiki, markup, etc. I have set up and been admin for Mediawikis a couple of times and was a contributor to the code for Oddmuse years ago. I have working experience with most languages in popular use, but am rusty with stuff like Java because I avoid it like the plague it is. I am most comfortable with vanilla coding in ANSI-C, which is my language of choice. To the extent that little utilities can help us, I can take up work like that.

When the subject of updating C2 wiki came up originally, many years ago, the goal seemed to be to keep it as-is and ride it into the grave. I think that it came to an organic demise technically (that is the wiki code became obsolete). If I'm not mistaken, it was Ward, as captain of the ship, and (I believe) owner of C2 who decided that the time had come. It's his call to make, so he's being gracious to allow others to attempt to make the best of C2 content.

I am not sure of what tools are being used for development, and what the target hosting/maintenance situation is. I presume that C2 is running under some *nix variant. I also presume that we are using open source tools and libraries, etc. One of my questions is why we don't just use MediaWiki. It's mature, backed by a scalable database engine, it is relatively operating system agnostic, I'm not sure how it's done, but it is demonstrably massively scalable. My only concern with that would be maintenance and security. However, unless the engine is exceedingly simple that's a problem with anything.

I expect that the existing text that belongs to C2 is in a markup that would need to be translated into something that another engine can consume. I can write simple tools for such things.

I can't remember how to do it, so would have to reinvent that wheel, but at some point I set up a system with MediaWiki that automatically backed itself up to another server nightly in such a form that it could be restored in a few minutes to a new server if needed. It's doable.

It's been kind of beaten to death, but I have to say that the wiki at C2 contained a lot of stuff that was valuable to people like me who contributed material that they occasionally go back to reference. It also was a great learning tool for programmers. It is really worth saving, if only as an archive, though in my opinion it would be better if it was back live.

Has anybody talked about 'out of the box' solutions like getting a large entity to fund bringing this under an umbrella that would ensure it continues forward?

Somebody has already done work to create tools to alter the C2 material so it can be stuffed into another wiki. It would be good to capture that knowledge.

I will be peppering people with questions starting in about a week.

Does anybody have a vision?

Cheers!

Bob

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:47 AM Rahel Lüthy @.***> wrote:

Hmm, that’s unfortunate. How is this compatible with GDPR, the European data protection law? Specifically with Art. 17 GDPR Right to erasure (‘right to be forgotten’)?

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