new TI

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shapechange: okay forgive me for basing this on a mafia role but it's a really interesting one. it's called "caretaker" and it investigates a player each night (probs FT style for us but could be AT style), but it doesn't learn the results - someone random does. i.e i could investigate ts the direwolf, and vera could get told "caretaker investigated ts and saw him as direwolf", but I wouldn't know the investigation result or who got it. anyway i think it's cool

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shapechange: (caretaker actually also protects the person it investigates but i see no reason to translate that)

[MrrFiish]

I think RNG would have massive potential to just own the caretaker if literally all of their info goes to scum, is it a random good player or do you just have to cry if every single one goes to a scum? If it can go to scum, maybe making it weighted random or not letting it happen twice in a row or something would be good?

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shapechange: with werewolves, we usually do arbitrary instead of random

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shapechange: obviously in maf there's a much higher town ratio, but in wwr there's much more info and ways to disprove what someone's saying - i think it balances out

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shapechange: and, like i said - arbitrary

[12Metatron]

any ideas on the new name

[MrrFiish]

Fisherman (coming 2026!)

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shapechange: what about, say, judge

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shapechange: jk

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shapechange: idk

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captainluffy: btw i think u forgot to tag this one

[MrrFiish]

I mean, caretaker is a fine name if you aren't afraid of just copying.

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mrrfiish: oh this is where the channel is, i couldnt find it so i was just gitting my hub

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captainluffy: didnt know you had a github

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e_thsn:

with werewolves, we usually do arbitrary instead of random

what if we do something similar to PP, so you have a list of players (1/3 most likely) and it's chosen from that list, once everyone on the list is dead you can no longer invest, but it also has at least 1 of each team member on it?

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shapechange: that seems a bit overcomplicated

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e_thsn: I was thinking it would make it slightly easier to deduce who got the result but add a downside

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e_thsn: there's possibly other ways to do that though

[MrrFiish]

I actually do really like ethans idea there.

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mctsts: i hat randomness

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mctsts:

what if we do something similar to PP, so you have a list of players (1/3 most likely) and it's chosen from that list, once everyone on the list is dead you can no longer invest, but it also has at least 1 of each team member on it?

this is a classic wwr role overengineering suggestion

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shapechange: suggestion: instead of going to an arbitrary player, the info goes to a random cit

i like this idea bc it makes the game more engaging for cits and it prompts more public discussion

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mctsts: This is much better but does have the issue that it encourages us to use more citizen than we otherwise might

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mctsts: Maybe random tm?

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shapechange: yeah maybe

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venomousbirds: random tm could work

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venomousbirds: i can see how this might be an easy way to prove people tho

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venomousbirds: but it can definitely be faked early game too

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e_thsn: Random TM/WM that way you can't guarantee a townsfolk got it maybe

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e_thsn: Where we at on this <@458727748504911884>

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shapechange: i am swamped with work rn but i think we're on a viable path with it

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e_thsn:

i am swamped with work rn but i think we're on a viable path with it

want me to make a mock role desc?

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shapechange: i can do it dw

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e_thsn: cool

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shapechange: [Placeholder] | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the [Placeholder] may investigate one player. The result will be sent to another player. Details The [Placeholder] inspects a player's role each night. Inspecting a player is an immediate ability affected by weak disguises and redirections. The results of the [Placeholder]'s investigation will be sent to a random player with a Miscellaneous role at the start of the day. This will happen even if the [Placeholder] dies during the night. The player will receive the name of the investigated player and their role, but not the name of the [Placeholder].

[Placeholder] | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the [Placeholder] may check a target to determine if they are a "threat" or "not a threat". The result will be sent to another player. Details The [Placeholder] checks whether a player is a threat or not. Lycans and players with killing roles are classified as threats. Inspecting a player in this way is an immediate ability affected by strong disguises and redirections. The results of the [Placeholder]'s investigation will be sent to a random player with a miscellaneous role at the start of the day. This will happen even if the [Placeholder] dies during the night. The player will receive the name of the investigated player and whether or not they appeared as a threat, but not the name of the [Placeholder].

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shapechange: i did one for FT style and AT style. i think i actually prefer AT style

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e_thsn:

[Placeholder] | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the [Placeholder] may investigate one player. The result will be sent to another player. Details The [Placeholder] inspects a player's role each night. Inspecting a player is an immediate ability affected by weak disguises and redirections. The results of the [Placeholder]'s investigation will be sent to a random player with a Miscellaneous role at the start of the day. This will happen even if the [Placeholder] dies during the night. The player will receive the name of the investigated player and their role, but not the name of the [Placeholder].

[Placeholder] | Townsfolk Investigative Basics Each night, the [Placeholder] may check a target to determine if they are a "threat" or "not a threat". The result will be sent to another player. Details The [Placeholder] checks whether a player is a threat or not. Lycans and players with killing roles are classified as threats. Inspecting a player in this way is an immediate ability affected by strong disguises and redirections. The results of the [Placeholder]'s investigation will be sent to a random player with a miscellaneous role at the start of the day. This will happen even if the [Placeholder] dies during the night. The player will receive the name of the investigated player and whether or not they appeared as a threat, but not the name of the [Placeholder].

what about calling it mind reader?

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shapechange: that makes no sense and also sucks

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mrrfiish: fisherman (coming 2026!)

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mrrfiish: <@458727748504911884> cat lady

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mrrfiish: TRUST

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mrrfiish: cats wander and stuff... if theyre an outdoor cat...

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mrrfiish: and its a towny name

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shapechange: kind of real actually

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mrrfiish: i think it works 🐟

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shapechange: i like it but it is a little informal

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shapechange: i think something that draws on themes of gossip and/or 'poison pen' letter writers could work

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shapechange: or we could just reuse Bard or smth

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e_thsn: What about maybe something to do with spies?

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shapechange: doesn't really fit with a lot of our role name theming