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Change "engineer" requirement to be on the TOC #1351

Open xmulligan opened 2 weeks ago

xmulligan commented 2 weeks ago

The current CNCF charter states that:

"(d) Criteria for Nomination. Nominees for the TOC shall: ii. demonstrate an advanced level of professional experience as engineers in the scope of CNCF"

I think the term should be changed from "engineers" to "technical leaders" for three reasons.

First, in practice this is what the TOC is already doing. Everyone currently sitting on the TOC is a strong technical leader within the community, however not every member is an engineer. This change would help remediate this deviation between process and practice.

Second, (and I would argue more importantly) this change would better meet the demands of the current community. I wasn't here when the charter was originally written, but in the beginning CNCF had only a handful of projects and being an engineer was probably a good requirement. CNCF now encompassed almost 200 projects and there is a growing realization within the community that to make projects sustainable for the next decade, we need to focus on more than just the code. The people, process, and community around the projects are just as important as the code itself. Moving from just engineers to technical leaders would open the TOC to people who can bring their experience on everything that a projects needs to be successful beyond just the code.

Finally, the work of the TOC itself has also changed. Oversight of TAGs and project moving levels are just two examples of work that the TOC carries out that were not around when the charter was originally written. The additional responsibilities of the TOC can also be filled out by people that are not engineers. I think opening to technical leaders broaden the skillsets and experience of the TOC to carry out their expanded role.

monadic commented 2 weeks ago

+1

I don't recall this "engineer" ask and would certainly have rejected it back in the day

jeefy commented 2 weeks ago

Spitballing, "leaders with demonstrated technical expertise"?

I generally agree with the sentiment, but we do need ensure that TOC members are expected to have technical chops since they're ultimately evaluating and accepting projects. Yes, certain responsibilities are delegated out to TAGs but the final say lands at the TOC so it's still a requirement IMO.

krook commented 2 weeks ago

Related: https://github.com/cncf/foundation/issues/71

monadic commented 2 weeks ago

@krook ha! there you go

dims commented 2 weeks ago

I don't recall this "engineer" ask and would certainly have rejected it back in the day

+1 from me as well

cathyhongzhang commented 2 weeks ago

Agree with @jeefy on "leaders with demonstrated technical expertise". TOC is a technical committee and technical expertise and leadership are important for evaluating projects, guiding CNCF technical direction, building community interest in cutting-edge technologies, etc.

xmulligan commented 2 weeks ago

Sure, I don't have a strong preference "technical leaders" vs "leaders with demonstrated technical expertise"

TheFoxAtWork commented 1 week ago

Since this is under the purview of the Governing Board to make changes to the Charter, and this has several TOC members supporting it, we will propose this change to the GB.