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Sadly after researching these recommendations, they all feel like consolation prizes compared to uBlock_0. I really hope someone with the same comprehension and standards recreates the project as a compliant(?) Safari extension even with reduced features due to new limitations.
Sorry, but I don’t see that it would be any better than those already covered here.
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On Sep 24, 2019, at 19:51, joz3l notifications@github.com wrote:
I really hope someone with the same comprehension and standards recreates the project as a compliant(?) Safari extension even with reduced features due to new limitations.
Sadly after researching these recommendations, they all feel like consolation prizes compared to uBlock_0. I really hope someone with the same comprehension and standards recreates the project as a compliant(?) Safari extension even with reduced features due to new limitations.
I think that AdGuard for Safari does everything that uBO does that can be possibly implemented into Safari.
Using Firefox when this scrolling issue is still around? Ick... Really going to miss uBO-Safari. 😢
It will not possible for uBlock Origin to work with the upcoming Safari 13 / macOS Catalina release
@p4t44 Have you looked at the possibility of creating a Safari App Extension (which is not the same as a content-blocker extension)? You can inject JavaScript into any page, listen to beforeload
and block those events if required. I've tried these in macOS Catalina and all of this works.
The downside is that there's no "global" area for scripts or resources -- that is now the Swift code, and there's no way to call Swift code and get back an answer synchronously (i.e. no canLoad
equivalent exists). This implies that all JavaScript needs to get injected into every page and on every reload, which might affect performance and/or memory footprint.
It will not possible for uBlock Origin to work with the upcoming Safari 13 / macOS Catalina release
@p4t44 Have you looked at the possibility of creating a Safari App Extension (which is not the same as a content-blocker extension)? You can inject JavaScript into any page, listen to
beforeload
and block those events if required. I've tried these in macOS Catalina and all of this works.The downside is that there's no "global" area for scripts or resources -- that is now the Swift code, and there's no way to call Swift code and get back an answer synchronously (i.e. no
canLoad
equivalent exists). This implies that all JavaScript needs to get injected into every page and on every reload, which might affect performance and/or memory footprint.
I'm not the develoeper and don't really understand how any of it works. I just spent far to long scraping together why uBO stopped working in Safari when I upgraded to the Catalina beta, and thought I would try to explain after a lot of posts on /r/ublockorigin had the same issue as me. The developer who made ublock-safari also hasnt updated it for over a year even before Safari 13. But if you or anyone else thinks they can make it work, please do.
@p4t44 I understand your position now. Sorry, I'm afraid I don't think I can work on this as of now. I'd be happy to help anyone else who wants to take it up, though.
... Though it is still curently possible to install uBlock Origin by downloading the extension from Github (edit: must follow these instructions, it will not be starting from Safari 13 / macOS Catalina, when the legacy entension API will be fully deprecated.
This doesn't work anymore as the “Show Extension Builder” command in the “Develop” menu no longer exists (Safari 13 on macOS 10.14.6).
... Though it is still curently possible to install uBlock Origin by downloading the extension from Github (edit: must follow these instructions, it will not be starting from Safari 13 / macOS Catalina, when the legacy entension API will be fully deprecated.
This doesn't work anymore as the “Show Extension Builder” command in the “Develop” menu no longer exists (Safari 13 on macOS 10.14.6).
That was written before Safari 13 was released, fixed now.
FWIW, if you still haven't updated to Safari 13, you can run:
softwareupdate --ignore Safari13.0.1MojaveAuto
to hide the Safari 13 update...
Thank you! I’d like to see https://better.fyi added to the list. Costs 2,99 and is open source.
Thank you! I’d like to see https://better.fyi added to the list. Costs 2,99 and is open source.
I disagree that better is a good choice in comparison to the other options. Though I have not personally tested it, it only seems to have one content blocker so its blocking power will be less than alternatives such as AdGuard (free) or Wipr (also $1.99). It seems like an unexceptional paid content blocker from what I have seen about it.
@p4t44 thank you very much for the advice!!! 1Blocker the best.
I think the current developer and those who had hoped to carry on have made it clear that this isn’t a matter of money. Current Apple rules won’t allow anything like uBlock to perform as it used to.
@alvarnell yeah I deleted the post since I wanted to look into it more. I found https://github.com/dgraham/Ka-Block which is a good prototype of ideas but am trying to understand more so how ublock works so i can understand if there is a similar approach.
Im all ears for what apple rules make this not feasible compared to ublock origin (like specific workflows or functions that handle stuff I could see in ublock or where a feature like NSExtensionRequestHandling fails).
If theres somewhere its spelled out by an actual dev that would be helpful. From my completely uninformed view it seems like the issue is that all the handling done in js would be done in swift, what parts of the old code can even be reused? I have no idea
@alvarnell yeah I deleted the post since I wanted to look into it more. I found https://github.com/dgraham/Ka-Block which is a good prototype of ideas but am trying to understand more so how ublock works so i can understand if there is a similar approach. Im all ears for what apple rules make this not feasible compared to ublock origin (like specific workflows or functions that handle stuff I could see in ublock or where a feature like NSExtensionRequestHandling fails).
If theres somewhere its spelled out by an actual dev that would be helpful. From my completely uninformed view it seems like the issue is that all the handling done in js would be done in swift, what parts of the old code can even be reused? I have no idea
Take a look at AdGuard for Safari, https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari. It is open source and supports as much of the functionality of uBlock Origin as is reasonably feasible in Safari.
As I understand currently an app / extension can send Safari content blocking rules which Safari enforces. This is contary to how uBlock Origin works, where you give the rules to uBO and it enforces them. If you want to create a Safari app / extension which replicated the functionality of uBO in Safari as much as possible that would be great but I'd recommend not using the uBO name / "brand" for the project (as it would not share any of the code or inner workings with uBO, it should go by a different name to avoid confusion. uSafari?). You might also like to use AdGuard as a base.
@grahamannett I don't mean to be mean, but as a New Yorker I can't help but be direct. It seems like you didn't give much weight to all of the effort that went into the explanation at the top of this issue, effort by @p4t44 and people who contributed edits to that explanation via comments.
If you want confirmation from @el1t himself, then take a look at which issue he pinned to the top of the issues list. This pin, as far as I know, is his latest and final comment on uBlock for Safari. In addition, the explanation above contains a link to a statement by @gorhill himself.
If you want more technical details, follow the links, e.g. the Hacker News discussion.
Hey guys, did you check out the new macOS update? could it help us somehow?
URL: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos_release_notes/macos_catalina_10_15_4_release_notes
@alfonmga All Catalyst does is allow UIKit apps (those built for iOS) to be easily ported to run on MacOS. This does not in any way loosen restrictions on Safari plugins/extensions.
Apple has promised its users to build an impenetrable wall around user's privacy. There simply is not a way to allow third party code to do content-filtering without giving that code access to a user's entire browsing history. We can't have our cake and eat it too.
Content Blocker is Apple's solution to this problem: Third parties supply Safari with filtering rules, not code. Unless uBlock Origin adopts that (it won't), uBlock Origin will never work in Safari.
@vassudanagunta
Apple has promised its users to build an impenetrable wall around user's privacy. There simply is not a way to allow third party code to do content-filtering without giving that code access to a user's entire browsing history. We can't have our cake and eat it too.
Except that just about every content blocker has another extension included which can see your entire browsing history for whitelisiting. They haven't built an impenetrable wall around users privacy, they have built an impenetrable wall around user customisation and choice.
Also you can have your cake and eat it too in any other browser by being careful and not installing malicious extensions.
@p4t44 I think your take is an oversimplification. The beauty of it is they don't have a monopoly; the people who prefer the kind of user customization you want can have it: Firefox. Or Linux.
But for people who don't want it at the expense of security, even super technical people like me, and people who like me have spent countless hours digging non-technical people out of malware holes, or get pissed off at all the con-artists taking advantage of people confused by complexity (most people, including us technical people), we are glad that we have the choice to choose a more locked down platform.
Just as you said, it's all about choice and Apple is the only vendor in this space offering that choice.
Another point regarding 1Blocker, it now requires 10.15 Catalina.
Thankfully I'm still using an old version that works on 10.14 Mojave.
Ad-Guard works well on macOS 10.15, it’s open source and you can disable 2 out of its 8 Safari extensions to prevent it from having any access to your website data, it also allows custom filters. App Store version: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-for-safari/id1440147259?mt=12
GitHub source code: https://github.com/adguardteam/adguardforsafari#
@Baccount I agree, and AdGuard for Safari supports most of uBlock0 syntax (e.g. scriptlets) :)
Seems like they announced web extensions on the WWDC, could this eventually mean that add-ons like uBlock might be possible again with the next OS version?
I was thinking the same thing when I watched the keynote. I’m a little skeptical, though, because the announcement was light on details, and it wasn’t entirely clear whether something like uBlock Origin can work in Big Sur, or whether there will be functional limitations restricting features like hiding HTML screen elements… Apple is likely to put up barriers on any functionality that could be used as a malware attack vector.
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Seems like they announced web extensions on the WWDC, could this eventually mean that add-ons like uBlock might be possible again with the next OS version?
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They do say New support for the WebExtensions API
so I'm hopeful that they actually support the whole range of it, with the restriction of the user having to enable the add-on explicitly
I heard that and made a mental note to look it up. Was that API developed by Mozilla, and was it used to create the uBlock Origin add-on for Firefox? Also, assuming their mention of this related specifically to macOS and not to iOS or iPadOS as well… (I need to rewatch the keynote.)
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They do say New support for the WebExtensions API so I'm hopeful that they actually support the whole range of it, with the restriction of the user having to enable the add-on explicitly
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More info here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions
Compatibility and limitations: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions/assessing_your_safari_web_extension_s_browser_compatibility
The most important limitation for blockers is this part:
It basically means that we have to continue using their Safari Content Blocking API.
Ugh, their Safari Content Blocking API is worthless, at least based on every content blocker I’ve tested. So much for that idea. Damnit, Apple.
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More info here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions Compatibility and limitations: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions/assessing_your_safari_web_extension_s_browser_compatibility https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions/assessing_your_safari_web_extension_s_browser_compatibility The most important limitation for blockers is this part:
webRequest BlockingResponse not supported. Blocking requests not supported. It basically means that we have to continue using their Safari Content Blocking API.
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Ugh, their Safari Content Blocking API is worthless, at least based on every content blocker I’ve tested. So much for that idea. Damnit, Apple.
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I could be wrong, but those docs look the same as the ones before today. Meaning I'm not so sure they've updated their documentation site with the new APIs
Apparently not, this is what it says for the
webRequest
API:BlockingResponse not supported.
Blocking requests not supported.
Edit: There are other unsupported API methods:
onCreatedNavigationTarget
(to deal with unwanted popups);- minimal support for
insertCSS
: no user styles, can't inject on a per-frame basis;- No
privacy
API;
Can someone with the requisite expertise look here and see if the APIs required for uBlock Origin features are supported?
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/Browser_support_for_JavaScript_APIs https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/Browser_support_for_JavaScript_APIs
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Apple doesn't make what users want, Apple makes what they want users to want. Besides the overwhelming majority of Apple user/fan base is always happy with what Apple makes or tries/claims to make.
Here's a fine option if you're comfortable with blocking via /etc/hosts: https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts.git -- as a bonus, it can optionally block fakenews, porn and other such junk.
@ameshkov Please correct the disinformation in this picture which purports to compare AdGuard for Safari to other blockers on Safari: https://cdn.adguard.com/public/Adguard/Blog/safari-compare.jpg I have no doubt you are well aware that "UBlock" on Safari is not uBO.
@gorhill uh, wrong logo? sorry for that, we'll fix it. May I ask where you found that picture?
https://adguard.com/en/adguard-safari/overview.html, "What's the difference between AdGuard for Safari and other ad blockers? ".
So.. is ubo coming to new safari and big sur? I dont really understand all this technical speak
So.. is ubo coming to new safari and big sur? I dont really understand all this technical speak
Use uBo in firefox or chrome, or use adguard in safari.
FYI, it seems that Wipr no longer supports blocking YouTube ads: https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/hs16jl/what_is_going_on_with_wipr/
Just FIY I would not recommend buying 1Blocker. I paid both for the initial version and the "1Blocker X" one on IOS but I had the constant feeling the filter lists weren't being updated and I wasn't sure of their origin (I'm assuming they use EasyList for the ads, but which one do they use for privacy & annoyances?).
AdGuard for Safari is free, open-source and is compatible with uBlock-style filter lists (it has code that does its best to convert them to Safari content blocking lists). You can choose to use EasyList, EasyPrivacy, Fanboy's lists or any of the regional lists so I would recommend it over 1Blocker.
Mac preferences> safari extensions - says permission to read sensitive data including passwords and logins! is that ok?
So.. is ubo coming to new safari and big sur? I dont really understand all this technical speak
Use uBo in firefox or chrome, or use adguard in safari.
safari extension preferences say - permission to read sensitive information including passwords and logins. Do they store these information?
Mac preferences> safari extensions - says permission to read sensitive data including passwords and logins! is that ok?
Only if you want it to work, otherwise it won't.
permission to read sensitive information including passwords and logins. Do they store these information?
Only locally and only what is necessary for its use.
Hi, I decided to switch back to Safari as my main browser for battery reason and discovered that uBlock Origin is not compatible anymore. After reading most of the possible solutions I think I came up with a pretty acceptable outcome: using NextDNS.
Nextdns is a (free for basic usage) DNS resolver, when you create an account you can select blocklists, which does include for example Easylist:
The only downside is that there is no menu action on webpage to say "whitelist this website", it has to be done on the configuration page of nextdns.
Cheers,
ps: I'm not affiliated with NextDNS in anyway, just a happy user
NextDNS (and similar services) are a valid way to block unwanted ads and tracking. However, they lack the ability to manually select and block annoying screen elements on the fly. I’m currently using AdGuard as my replacement for uBlock Origin. It’s nowhere near as light or fast, but it restores that ability to hide unwanted annoyances on specific web pages as desired.
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Hi, I decided to switch back to Safari as my main browser for battery reason and discovered that uBlock Origin is not compatible anymore. After reading most of the possible solutions I think I came up with a pretty acceptable outcome: using NextDNS.
Nextdns https://nextdns.io/ is a (free for basic usage) DNS resolver, when you create an account you can select blocklists, which does include for example Easylist: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1178099/91856583-a9519b00-ec5e-11ea-8ba3-304cca095e33.png The only downside is that there is no menu action on webpage to say "whitelist this website", it has to be done on the configuration page of nextdns.
Cheers,
ps: I'm not affiliated with NextDNS in anyway, just a happy user
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Also should be mentioned that with services like NextDNS you basically reroute all of your net activity through their service which is... let's say not ideal in a privacy kind of sense. (Even if they claim to do nothing with that data)
Very quick tl;dr: uBO will no longer work with Safari, use Firefox or a new "content blocker" app (see below for good replacements).
In the past few months, and especially in the past week, there have been a lot of posts and comments questioning the status of uBlock Origin for Safari. This should answer all questions on the status of uBO for safari.
uBlock Origin was ported for Safari in 2016, and was updated regulary (mostly changes from the main project) until 2018 when development completley stopped. Since then Apple has begun phasing out Safari extensions as extensions, and has instead been implenting a new extensions framework which is extremley limited in adblocking functions, only allowing "content blockers", which are just links bundled as an app which Safari enforces. From Safari 12 / macOS Mojave, old legacy Safari extensions were still allowed, but came with warnings saying that they will slow down your browsing (they infact won't, or at least not noticably). Safari also recently shut their Extension Gallery, instead redirecting it to the mac app store. Though it is still curently possible to install uBlock Origin by downloading the extension from Github (edit: must follow these instructions, it will not be starting from Safari 13 / macOS Catalina, when the legacy entension API will be fully deprecated.
It will not possible for uBlock Origin to work with the upcoming Safari 13 / macOS Catalina release If you are a current user of uBlock Origin for Safari here are the options to continue blocking ads:
Top picks
- 1Blocker, by far the most powerful, with custom rules and an element picker. This is the best option if you don't mind paying. Costs $10. ~~Update: do not buy. 1Blocker has teased 1BlockerX for Mac, which will be a paid upgrade. I cannot reccomend buying an app now which will soon be obsolete..Update 2: 1Blocker has said that it will be a free upgrade to 1BlockerX from the current version, so there isn't any reason to wait if you want it.~~ 1Blocker has switched to a subscription model, even for people who already paid for it. Avoid.Other Good Options
Don't see any advantage in this over Ka-block (see above) for an extra $1.99.Apparently Ka-Block doesn't work for youtube (wipr does), and Wipr uses 3 extensions to get around the limit in rules.Do Not Reccomend
Update: Here is a statement from gorhill (uBO developer) on the state of Safari
Edit: a lot people are asking about uBlock Origin not working in the future on Chrome. If you'd like more information on this, here is an article from ghacks from january, and a statement from gorhill, developer of uBlock.**
There has been discussion of this on Reddit Github and Hacker News.