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Data life cycle: Sharing - discipline-specific repositories #876

Closed jennyostrop closed 6 months ago

jennyostrop commented 2 years ago

I suggest to include links/more explanation to how to find a suitable discipline-specific repository e.g. ELIXIR repositories. I work as support personnel and receive regularly requests from researchers who are not familiar with the respective repositories for their data.

floradanna commented 2 years ago

Hi, thanks for your feedback!

Would you be interested in helping us improving the findability of the information you are looking for? If yes, would you be available for a 10min call?

Or you could describe to us how you looked for this information in RDMkit (what buttons you clicked or keywords you searched etc) in this issue or in a email to rdm-editors@elixir-europe.org.

jennyostrop commented 2 years ago

Hi,

Sure. I work as support stuff at a research library and while answering a request from a life science researcher, I tried to find relevant information in the RDM kit that points out how one should proceed to select a research data repository and deposit a dataset. The respective page points out that disciplinary repositories are the first choice but does not contain information/is linking to step-by-step instructions, how a researcher (without previous knowledge) can find and select a suitable repository. The links on the page refer to institutional/general purpose repositories.

If this information is available at a different place in the RDM kit, I was not readily able to find it – this is the general feedback I would like to give, that the content in the RDM kit is very useful but not always easy to navigate/discover.

Kind regards Jenny

From: floradanna @.> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 4:17 PM To: elixir-europe/rdmkit @.> Cc: Jenny Ostrop @.>; Author @.> Subject: Re: [elixir-europe/rdmkit] Data life cycle: Sharing - discipline-specific repositories (Issue #876)

Hi, thanks for your feedback!

Would you be interested in helping us improving the findability of the information you are looking for? If yes, would you be available for a 10min call?

Or you could describe to us how you looked for this information in RDMkit (what buttons you clicked or keywords you searched etc) in this issue or in a email to @.**@.>.

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floradanna commented 2 years ago

Hi, thank you for your valuable feedback.

Is the information about "how one should proceed to select a research data repository", that you were looking for, present in this page: https://rdmkit.elixir-europe.org/data_publication.html#which-repository-should-you-use-to-publish-your-data ?

How to deposit a dataset depends on the specific repository, but we give some guidance here: https://rdmkit.elixir-europe.org/data_publication.html#how-do-you-prepare-your-data-for-publication-in-data-repositories.

Could you please answer the following questions? It would really help improving the website.

  1. What did you expect to find when clicking on "Share" in the data life cycle?
  2. What would have made it easier to find the "Related page" called "Data publication" in Your tasks section?
  3. What keywords would you use to search for information about how to select data repositories?

Thank you very much for your help. It is really valuable to RDMkit.

jennyostrop commented 2 years ago

Hi,

Yes, data publication covers the aspects I was looking for, but it is very easy to oversee this page in the long list of “Your tasks”. To answer your questions:

  1. What did you expect to find when clicking on "Share" in the data life cycle?

My aim was to provide a researcher with a “help me, a journal requires data deposition, what should I do”-request and little pre-existing knowledge with a link to domain-specific information. Using the research data life cycle appears natural here and searching for suitable information implies skimming over pages rather than thorough reading and following links. I have a life science background and can thus directly recommend databases, but colleagues might not and might use the RDM kit to find recommendations – adding a role support staff (with knowledge about RDM but possibly without disciplinary knowledge) with site map-type information could be very useful.

  1. What would have made it easier to find the "Related page" called "Data publication" in Your tasks section?

In-text link to please find detailed information under … under the bullet-point “Share and publish your data in professional deposition databases that provide the appropriate access type and licence: […]” Optionally, a section/box at the top of the page with “the following tasks may be relevant at this life cycle stage” and links.

  1. What keywords would you use to search for information about how to select data repositories? Not sure if I understand your question, do you mean in the RDMkit (here, I will not necessarily search as I would expect the information to be present connected to a stage in the data life cycle) or in general? For the latter, I would search for method (microscopy, flow cytometry,…) and repository/research data archive/deposition database/…

Kind regards, Jenny

From: floradanna @.> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 9:45 AM To: elixir-europe/rdmkit @.> Cc: Jenny Ostrop @.>; Author @.> Subject: Re: [elixir-europe/rdmkit] Data life cycle: Sharing - discipline-specific repositories (Issue #876)

Hi, thank you for your valuable feedback.

Is the information about "how one should proceed to select a research data repository", that you were looking for, present in this page: https://rdmkit.elixir-europe.org/data_publication.html#which-repository-should-you-use-to-publish-your-data ?

How to deposit a dataset depends on the specific repository, but we give some guidance here: https://rdmkit.elixir-europe.org/data_publication.html#how-do-you-prepare-your-data-for-publication-in-data-repositories.

Could you please answer the following questions? It would really help improving the website.

  1. What did you expect to find when clicking on "Share" in the data life cycle?
  2. What would have made it easier to find the "Related page" called "Data publication" in Your tasks section?
  3. What keywords would you use to search for information about how to select data repositories?

Thank you very much for your help. It is really valuable to RDMkit.

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floradanna commented 2 years ago

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer these questions. Your feedback is highly valuable and will help improving RDMkit.

You, your colleagues or researchers are very welcome to contact us at any time to give feedback about RDMkit.

bedroesb commented 1 year ago

In a continuous attempt to improve the user experience on our website, I am trying out a new design of the related pages so they should be more prominent + have a common style related to the tiles that we have in the section landing pages.

Do you think the tiles in this Sharing page are more clear? @jennyostrop

jennyostrop commented 1 year ago

@bedroesb You are referring to the "Related pages" section at the bottom of the page? I think they look good (once I have scrolled all the way down). Wondering if this information would be more prominent in the overview ("On this page") if called "Related topics"?

Another thought: would it be possible to tag the different tasks with one or several stages in the Data life cycle?

bedroesb commented 1 year ago

@jennyostrop do you mean that we would have Data Life Cycle stages as related pages of the Your task pages?

bedroesb commented 1 year ago

I personally always liked the idea of calling it "What to read next" or "Read next"

jennyostrop commented 1 year ago

@bedroesb I was imagining that each task could have one or several little, color-coded tags with the relevant life cycle stage(s) under the heading and on the tasks overview page. Not quite sure if this would cause more confusion/even more information overload or help to crosslink the different parts.

As for "Read next": In the role of someone who reads up on a topic I like it, while I would find less helpful in the role of trying to navigate to the relevant information as fast as possible.

bedroesb commented 1 year ago

ok I understand the idea, but specially the color codes will be difficult to pull of since we use the theme behind this website also for other websites. We also moved away from tags because it made the contribution process more difficult. Because people had to add tags to all the relevant pages (which was not happening)