Closed wycats closed 5 years ago
Awesome to see this!
Here is my survey. This does not include services provided by add-ons, which is about 6 more services.
Total services: 8
injects another service: 6
is an object proxy: 0
aliases: 1
readonly: 0
non-volatile computed properties: 5
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: (0)
actions: 0
EventedMixin: 0
Here is our app output,
Total services: 12
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 11
alias: 7
readonly: 0
computed properties (not volatile): 24
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0```
Three production apps surveys:
Total services: 7
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 6
alias: 0
readonly: 0
computed properties (not volatile): 1
observers: 1
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 2
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 2
alias: 0
readonly: 0
computed properties (not volatile): 1
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 5
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 3
alias: 0
readonly: 0
computed properties (not volatile): 1
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
As @josemarluedke, this does not include services provided by add-ons.
Intercom (numbers are counts of services, eg. 16 services use inject
(most multiple times, 30+ in total)):
Total services: 44
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 16
alias: 0
readonly: 5
computed properties (not volatile): 20
observers: 0 💪
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 1
Total services: 10
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 6
alias: 1
readonly: 2
computed properties (not volatile): 14
observers: 1
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 4 👈
👉 Actions are techincally just methods, called using the bind helper from templates.
Here is data on 2 of the more complex apps at Yapp:
App 1:
Total services: 18 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 7 alias: 0 readonly: 1 non-volatile computed properties: 5 observers: 1 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 0
App 2:
Total services: 26 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 10 alias: 0 readonly: 5 non-volatile computed properties: 15 observers: 1 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 0
Also, several services mix in Ember.Evented and have ember-concurrency tasks
Here's data on our core app at TradeGecko
Total services: 72 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 40 alias: 1 readonly: 6 computed properties (not volatile): 23 observers: 1 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 0
As well as several ember-concurrency tasks, and one usage of unknownProperty
One of our internal apps:
Total services: 15 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 12 alias: 0 readonly: 0 computed properties (not volatile): 5 observers: 0 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 0
App 1
Total services: 10
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 4
alias: 1
readonly: 0
computed properties (not volatile): 4
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
EventedMixin: 1
Total services: 18
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 12
alias: 1
readonly: 3
non-volatile computed properties: 13
observers: 2
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
not counting addons, numbers are number of services that use one or more of these features, not total count of instances
Total services: 18 (excluding -dom-tree-construction, -dom-changes, -glimmer-environment, -routing)
is an object proxy: 1 (localStorage)
injects another service: 16
alias: 0
readonly: 3
non-volatile computed properties: 4
observers: 2
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 36 is an object proxy: 2 injects another service: 24 alias: 3 readonly: 0 non-volatile computed properties: 19 observers: 2 concatenated or merged properties: ? [don't know what this is] actions: 0
For the Heroku dashboard:
Total services: 22
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 12
alias: 4
readonly: 4
non-volatile computed properties: 22
observers: 2
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
For https://digitalroots.com / https://interactions.com
Total services: 15
is an object proxy: 1
injects another service: 14
alias: 4
readonly: 0
computed properties (not volatile): 73
observers: 1
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
For MinuteBase
Total services: 17
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 11
alias: 0
readonly: 2
non-volatile computed properties: 5
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
For Kayako
Total services: 70
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 51
alias: 0
readonly: 3
non-volatile computed properties: 16
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
@pzuraq this is great work. Keep em coming!
App 1
Total services: 21
is an object proxy: 4
injects another service: 6
alias: 0
readonly: 6
non-volatile computed properties: 6
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
ember-concurrency tasks: 2
App 2 (older)
Total services: 16
is an object proxy: 1
injects another service: 11
alias: 5
readonly: 12
non-volatile computed properties: 9
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Hey, exciting work! For travis-web
:
Total services: 23 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 14 alias: 3 readonly: 0 non-volatile computed properties: 12 observers: 1 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 0
I wasn’t sure about “is an object proxy”; some services are extensions of others, but I think that isn’t what you mean?
I also wasn’t sure whether “non-volatile computed properties” should include alias
, but I guessed not.
@backspace alias
was listed separately, so no 😄
"is an object proxy" means ObjectProxy.extend()
Total services: 31
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 27
alias: 0
readonly: 0
non-volatile computed properties: 28
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
EventedMixin: 5
ember-concurrency tasks: 4
Counts for Ghost:
Total services: 17
is an object proxy: 3 (using `_ProxyMixin`)
injects another service: 12
alias: 0
readonly: 1
non-volatile computed properties: 6
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: ?
actions: 1
EventedMixin: 4
TradeGecko total services and computed properties are going to grow by quite a few more.
Total services: 78
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 40
alias: 8
readonly: 6
non-volatile computed properties: 49
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
This is great!
It looks like by far the dominant use-cases are:
That's really great news, because those features have a clearer path to direct migration to ES6 classes than some other features of the Ember object model (like concatenated properties).
Keep the surveys coming.
What about actions on services. I think this feature might be unused mainly due to education and that most people don't know about {{action ... target=..}}
. In my opinion this is an untapped feature, especially with immutable state on the service. Here's an example: https://ember-twiddle.com/228b63aeb8f8e6464960ba019d7ce720
I'd love for actions to work with functions and be bound to the parent object by default, that would prevent having to need an actions
object.
@knownasilya My personal opinion is that, in modern Ember, actions are just functions, and that the point of the {{action}}
helper is to bind the function for you. Therefore, we don't need to worry about old-style actions at all in new code. What do you think?
My personal opinion is that, in modern Ember, actions are just functions, and that the point of the {{action}} helper is to bind the function for you.
{{action
definitely does not have the semantics that are inferred here. Interestingly, I have also taken this perspective and was "out voted" on actually fixing the semantics for this. Please review https://github.com/emberjs/ember.js/pull/14479 for some of the history there...
I'd suggest at this point, for simple binding purposes that folks should use the {{bind
helper (provided by https://github.com/Serabe/ember-bind-helper) rather than {{action
.
Therefore, we don't need to worry about old-style actions at all in new code. What do you think?
TBH, I don't think its this simple. We might be writing "new code" by authoring a replacement for an existing concept (consider refactoring to a service from a controller). When the "new code" we are talking about is template code: I totally agree! But to have to refactor any number of my templates simply to refactor to a service seems non-ideal.
Total services: 13
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 10
alias: 2
readonly: 3
computed properties (not volatile): 8
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 30
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 18
alias: 2
readonly: 2
computed properties (not volatile): 30
observers: 1
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 18 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 10 alias: 0 readonly: 0 computed properties (not volatile): 6 observers: 0 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 2
Total services: 31
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 25
alias: 2
readonly: 3
computed properties (not volatile): 2
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 47 is an object proxy: 0 injects another service: 39 alias: 13 readonly: 6 non-volatile computed properties: 60 observers: 0 concatenated or merged properties: 0 actions: 0
Total services: 32
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 18
alias: 0
readonly: 0
non-volatile computed properties: 6
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 10
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 6
alias: 0
readonly: 1
computed properties (not volatile): 0
observers: 1
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Olo’s main Ember app (~20k LoC in the app
dir for context/scale):
Total services: 22
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 10
alias: 1
readonly: 0
non-volatile computed properties: 21
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
Total services: 16
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 7
alias: 0
readonly: 0
non-volatile computed properties: 1
observers: 0
concatenated or merged properties: 0
actions: 0
EventedMixin: 4
I wrote a simple ruby script as part of Ember London's Meetup Quest Night to test all services against the listed features: https://gist.github.com/sevab/497ead350f25e82c5034686c6b163192
Matches Ghost's results. Feel free to try against your apps by dropping and running the file at the root of the project.
I was also at the Ember London's Meetup Quest Night and put together a script to generate these counts... Mine is javascript and you can paste it into the web developer console next to any running ember app and it should find the ember app and introspect it and output the relevant info.
https://gist.github.com/vitch/591d022359bd392535c15c715a59e81a
Here's the output from one of our apps:
Total services: 72
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 58 properties in 46 services
computed properties: 149 properties in 52 services
alias: 5 properties in 4 services
readonly: 4 properties in 2 services
involatile computed properties: 148 properties in 52 services
volatile computed properties: 1 properties in 1 services
observers: 1 properties in 1 services
concatenated or merged properties: 0 (?)
actions: 0
The script is hacked together and may not work on all ember apps or all versions of ember but hopefully it's a useful start. It would be pretty easy to extend it to output additional information if desired...
Total services: 76
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 215 properties in 59 services
computed properties: 149 properties in 53 services
alias: 132 properties in 46 services
readonly: 5 properties in 4 services
involatile computed properties: 129 properties in 52 services
volatile computed properties: 20 properties in 18 services
observers: 7 properties in 6 services
concatenated or merged properties: 0 (?)
actions: 0
Another of our apps:
Total services: 20
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 0 properties in 0 services
computed properties: 0 properties in 0 services
alias: 0 properties in 0 services
readonly: 0 properties in 0 services
involatile computed properties: 0 properties in 0 services
volatile computed properties: 0 properties in 0 services
observers: 0 properties in 0 services
concatenated or merged properties: 0 (?)
actions: 0
I should have mentioned before too many people use the script... I wasn't clear on what "concatenated or merged properties" was meant to represent so that will always output "0 (?)" for now! If someone can tell me what it's meant to represent I can update the script.
I can also try to add information about the Evented Mixin if that's useful. And I was thinking it might be nice to distinguish services defined in the app from those defined in addons?
Concatenated and merged properties are a feature of the object model that’s mainly used for components, controllers, and routes. Examples are actions
and classNames
, when you define these on a subclass they merge with the superclass’s value instead of overwriting it.
It’s actually possible (but highly unrecommended) to define your own properties that do this. We didn’t expect anyone to be using this feature, but wanted to make sure.
I wasn't sure how they manifested themselves on the services but there seems to be concatenatedProperties
and mergedProperties
properties on all of the services which are an empty array in all cases on my test app.
I updated my script to output information about these as well and here's the updated list from one of our apps:
Total services: 72
is an object proxy: 0
injects another service: 58 properties in 46 services
computed properties: 148 properties in 52 services
alias: 5 properties in 4 services
readonly: 4 properties in 2 services
involatile computed properties: 147 properties in 52 services
volatile computed properties: 1 properties in 1 services
observers: 1 properties in 1 services
concatenated properties: 0 properties in 0 services
merged properties: 0 properties in 0 services
actions: 0
@wycats Is there a Discord channel this work continues on?
We'll be coordinating this work on the community slack. You can join the #st-es-class-services channel.
@pixelhandler most of the active work is happening in #st-native-classes
now, and there is a new quest issue which has the most up-to-date information about the state of native classes, #16927
The goals have shifted a bit from just services without a base class to using native classes with the Ember Object model for the time being, with a longer-term outlook outlined in the Native Class Roadmap RFC
@pzuraq should this one be closed?
I think so, we should double check with @wycats but I think baseless native classes still need to be fleshed out and maybe RFCd before we can move forward with them
The cheese has been thoroughly moved and this issue can be considered stale.
Now that the ES2015 classes RFC has been merged, it's time to take advantage of the internal cleanup to allow Ember applications to use ES2015 classes in their applications.
We're going to start with services because the Service superclass is an empty subclass from
Ember.Object
.However, there are still a number of things to work out.
Context and Background
First of all, not all of the functionality of the RFC has yet been implemented. For the most part, the problems are minor and related to
.extend()
ing an ES2015 subclass of an Ember superclass. Since this quest is about using basic ES2015 classes that do not extend fromEmber.Object
orEmber.Service
, it is not directly relevant, but @pzuraq is working on identifying these limitations and writing failing tests for them.Second, in order to support simple objects, we will need to decide on the public API for dependency injecting into ES classes, which requires deciding on a stable public API for dependency injection in general. The smallest incremental step is to expect a static
create
method that takes theowner
, but we might want to do a little more than that. I'll take responsibility for writing an RFC.Finally, we will need to decide how to handle computed properties in these news classes. The most incremental step is to not support computed properties directly in Ember and still require
Ember.set
to set properties directly on services. The ember-decorators addon could be used to get sugar for those features.However, if we expect people to feel that they need to use
ember-decorators
every time they use bare classes, we should probably pull enough into Ember proper to avoid that. For example, we could add a@tracked
decorator for fields that (for the moment) callsEmber.set
under the hood. We will all need to review our own apps to decide how many services in the real world rely a lot on Ember object model features.Current Status and Work Items
The most useful thing that you could do right now is go through your app and survey all of your services for the use of certain features:
For example, this is my survey of Skylight:
Hang out in Community Slack
We'll be coordinating this work on the community slack. You can join the #st-es-class-services channel.