Closed bunyk closed 1 year ago
I like the idea to stop testing old facts depending on its probability of recall. This could help calculate the number of facts you still have to test today, and not have to review indefinitely.
In regards to your last question, I think that facts can be forgotten in different speeds, so even if recall probability of fact A is lower than the recall probability of fact B, on a future time this might not be the case because of the different speeds of forgetting. One fact might be "weaker" and will decay more rapidly than the other.
If I remember correctly, Fasiha was working on something to address this change in speed of forgetting/learning, which he was calling acceleration. I might be forgetting exactly what he wrote, but I think it was about multiplying the half-life by some factor after a recall.
Oh, so I see since this forgetting is not linear, the only way is to define what is best to review in every moment is to call predictRecall
with all that beta functions for each item, and then sort. I guess that should work, if you do like Duolingo, and prepare a learning session with N items, so you don't have to sort for a single item. And probably I should create an app first and then worry about scaling it. :)
This could help calculate the number of facts you still have to test today
I'm lazy, and don't like the word "have to". :) I would prefer to have an app that I could open at any time for 5 minutes (waiting in line, sitting on a toilet, etc..), and it will just give the next best thing to review. Something like Facebook algorithm, but actually useful. So not for daily reviews, but for reviews multiple times per day, on random moments.
every time the idea to build my own Memrise/Duolingo clone struck me again
Thank you @bunyk for considering Ebisu for building your app, that has always been my dream with Ebisu—to make it easy to create your perfect quiz app 😄
some prerequisite statistics books or online courses that would help with better understanding math behind all this
So first I'll say this: my goal is to make a library that anybody can use, without needing a Master's degree in statistics 😅! The mathematical details in the README are mostly for folks who want to improve the algorithm—you don't need to understand this to use the Python/JavaScript/etc. library in your app.
However, if you're really very very motivated to learn this, I think an introductory course on probability and Bayesian inference should be all you need to check my derivation of the posterior.
predictRecall
and updateRecall
are fast ("fast"…) and don't need Monte Carlo sampling or numerical integration, because I wanted Ebisu to be able to run on a phone)I'm sorry that unfortunately we don't have a good way to teach/learn mathematics the way we have excellent resources for programming 😢.
Call
predictRecall
for each, and select ones with the lovest recall?
This is what I do. (I also like to gently randomize the flashcard to review, so instead of the card with the absolute lowest pRecall
I find the bottom percentile of pRecall
and then pick a random one from that, but that's a nice-to-have.)
And then have some threshold, like "if recall probability is > 80%", learn new facts instead now, as reviewing that ones will be not so efficient?
Some people do this. I don't really like apps that do this though, because some days I don't want to review (just learn), other days I don't want to learn (just review), so I prefer apps that let me pick whether to learn or to review. That also simplifies the app so I don't need a numerical threshold—the threshold for switching from reviewing to learning is my boredom 😃.
if fact A had lower recall probability today than fact B, then probably the same should be true tomorrow
As @MNastri mentioned (thank you for weighing in!), because cards decay at differing rates, you have to be quite careful doing this.
But like they alluded to, I am working on v3 of the algorithm that changes a lot of how the statistics works (see https://github.com/fasiha/ebisu/issues/43 for the details). This will have a much simpler predictRecall
(no beta functions, just arithmetic). And this is going to make it straightforward to calculate recall probability in SQL: you can either do a full-table scan to find the card with the lowest recall probability, or of course you can cache that smartly and update it as needed (newly-learned cards need to be recalculated every 5 minutes; mature cards can be updated every week; something like that).
I was hoping to publish v3 six months ago but got very busy. I'm hoping to release it in the next few months 🙏.
I would prefer to have an app that I could open at any time for 5 minutes (waiting in line, sitting on a toilet, etc..), and it will just give the next best thing to review
I also love this!!! I have apps that rerun predictRecall
on hundreds of flashcards before each quiz: it's not as efficient as it could be but it's not the bottleneck. I encourage you to design the actual app—getting the UI/UX right is going to be so important. We'll be able to help you speed things up when predictRecall
becomes your bottleneck.
Please feel free to post any more questions or comments if any of the above is unclear. Thanks for writing!
I'm developing a language learning app for iOS/Android, and both my users and I want to have an SRS system to really master the new vocabulary that's being added.
I discovered your Ebisu. Intuition tells me that this algorithm is alive and well, despite your intimidating mathematical arguments 😄
I am going to embed the python program directly into my server, and I am also looking forward to the 3.0 update.
Encourage you! Good Job!
Closing this for now, please feel free to reopen or add further questions/comments!
I'm finding https://fasiha.github.io/ebisu/ very fascinating, thanks for creating it. I'm reading your documentation every time the idea to build my own Memrise/Duolingo clone struck me again, but one obstacle is that it's a little bit math heavy. So I decided to ask for some explanations here. (Also, if you could recommend some prerequisite statistics books or online courses that would help with better understanding math behind all this - I'll be very grateful)
What I understood is that for each fact to learn, you store parameters, that allow computing what is the probability of forgetting (or 1 - recall probability) that fact at a particular moment of time and confidence in that probability. This probability of recall is computed by
ebisu.predictRecall()
.And then when fact is tested,
ebisu.updateRecall
updates parameters to take into account the results of that test on future recall probabilities.Question is, given a set of facts, how do I select one that needs to be tested in the current moment of time? Call
predictRecall
for each, and select ones with the lovest recall? And then have some threshold, like "if recall probability is > 80%", learn new facts instead now, as reviewing that ones will be not so efficient?Could facts be sorted just by some value calculated when the model parameters are updated, so you should more efficiently select them, for example from SQL DB? Because I imagine that if fact A had lower recall probability today than fact B, then probably the same should be true tomorrow, right?