Triple point for abstract class - density out of range issue

[matlawicebox]

I have some code that works great but I'm trying to add in some fluids that are mixtures and am now getting an error from within set_isoline_defaults.

My fluid is defined as: self.state = CP.AbstractState('REFPROP','R1234yf&R134a'); self.state.set_mole_fractions([0.56,0.44])

And I get this error upon running:

File "/opt/miniconda3/envs/CondaHP/lib/python3.8/site-packages/fluprodia/fluid_property_diagram.py", line 360, in set_isoline_defaults
    self.p_trip = self.state.trivial_keyed_output(CP.iP_triple)
  File "CoolProp/AbstractState.pyx", line 227, in CoolProp.CoolProp.AbstractState.trivial_keyed_output
  File "CoolProp/AbstractState.pyx", line 229, in CoolProp.CoolProp.AbstractState.trivial_keyed_output
ValueError: [TQFLSH error 2] One or more inputs are out of range; Density above upper limit: D = 14.6560 mol/L, Dmax = 14.4635 mol/L.

this works fine when the state is defined as a single fluid: self.state = CP.AbstractState('HEOS', self.fluid)

It looks like it's not a problem with any of my inputs but something to do with mixtures and triple points. Any ideas how I can get past this? Thanks!

[fwitte]

Hi @matlawicebox,

Thank you for reporting the issue. Unfortunately, I have designed this library to work with pure fluids, I actually never tried using mixtures. So right now I am not sure, as what must be done to make it work with mixtures. If you are interested in investigating this, let me know, I would be happy to assist you where I can. Also, I currently do not have access to a REFPROP license to reproduce the issue...

Best

Francesco

[matlawicebox]

Hi Francesco - thanks for replying.

I'm not really sure how to proceed with an investigation - I'm not sure exactly what coolprop is doing to get that triple point information.

I started a discussion here at https://github.com/CoolProp/CoolProp/discussions to see if anyone had any suggestions there.

As far as I know, mixtures are supposed to work via REFPROP and abstract states, so I would have thought the triple point information would be accessible, but maybe not? Or maybe there's some way to constrain values when it's doing a search? I'll let you know if I find anything.

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:38 AM Francesco Witte @.***> wrote:

Hi @matlawicebox https://github.com/matlawicebox,

Thank you for reporting the issue. Unfortunately, I have designed this library to work with pure fluids, I actually never tried using mixtures. So right now I am not sure, as what must be done to make it work with mixtures. If you are interested in investigating this, let me know, I would be happy to assist you where I can. Also, I currently do not have access to a REFPROP license to reproduce the issue...

Best

Francesco

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[matlawicebox]

Hi Francesco,

I did a bit more investigating and it looks like the only problem is with that one line. I can reproduce the error if I simplify everything to 3 lines:

import CoolProp as CP
R513a = CP.AbstractState('REFPROP','R1234yf&R134a');
R513a.set_mole_fractions([0.56,0.44])
p_trip = R513a.trivial_keyed_output(CP.iP_triple)

That gives me the same error as I see when I run fluprodia.

I then went through the rest of the lines in set_isoline_defalults, and if I just put in a dummy value for p_trip (set it to the value for R134a), then all the other values get populated.

Do you know how I could find an accurate value for p_trip for R513A (which is 0.56 mole fraction R1234YF and 0.44 mole fraction R513A) that I could just populate with an if statement based on fluid string? I did an on-line search but seem to only be able to find critical pressures, not triple-point

Matthew

[matlawicebox]

Hmm, well I just tried running using R134a triple point of 389.56 Pa, but when I try that the program hangs. Force-quitting the program gives this:

Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/miniconda3/envs/CondaHP/lib/python3.8/site-packages/fluprodia/fluid_property_diagram.py", line 957, in single_isenthalpic self.state.update(CP.DmassHmass_INPUTS, val, h[i]) File "CoolProp/AbstractState.pyx", line 102, in CoolProp.CoolProp.AbstractState.update File "CoolProp/AbstractState.pyx", line 104, in CoolProp.CoolProp.AbstractState.update ValueError: DmolarHmolar:

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/matlawicebox/Desktop/Python/CondaHeatPump/HeatPumpGUI.py", line 668, in RunModel Tsplot = twostagecycleTSplot(fluid, Tin, Tout, HEXcooldT, HEXevapdT, Pmax, comp1eff, comp2eff, evaptype, File "/Users/matlawicebox/Desktop/Python/CondaHeatPump/GUIfunctions.py", line 470, in twostagecycleTSplot Tsplot = Tsplotwithcycletwostage(fluid, cyclepoints, expansionmode, plotlimits, figuresize, addtables, File "/Users/matlawicebox/Desktop/Python/CondaHeatPump/fluidplots.py", line 318, in Tsplotwithcycletwostage diagram.calc_isolines() File "/opt/miniconda3/envs/CondaHP/lib/python3.8/site-packages/fluprodia/fluid_property_diagram.py", line 590, in calc_isolines self.isenthalpic() File "/opt/miniconda3/envs/CondaHP/lib/python3.8/site-packages/fluprodia/fluid_property_diagram.py", line 665, in isenthalpic self.enthalpy[h] = self.single_isenthalpic( File "/opt/miniconda3/envs/CondaHP/lib/python3.8/site-packages/fluprodia/fluid_property_diagram.py", line 957, in single_isenthalpic self.state.update(CP.DmassHmass_INPUTS, val, h[i]) KeyboardInterrupt

Any ideas what could be the issue or if there's something I could do to debug how/where it's hanging?

Matthew

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 4:39 PM Matthew Lawrence < @.***> wrote:

Hi Francesco,

I did a bit more investigating and it looks like the only problem is with that one line. I can reproduce the error if I simplify everything to 3 lines:

import CoolProp as CP R513a = CP.AbstractState('REFPROP','R1234yf&R134a'); R513a.set_mole_fractions([0.56,0.44]) p_trip = R513a.trivial_keyed_output(CP.iP_triple)

That gives me the same error as I see when I run fluprodia.

I then went through the rest of the lines in set_isoline_defalults, and if I just put in a dummy value for p_trip (set it to the value for R134a), then all the other values get populated.

Do you know how I could find an accurate value for p_trip for R513A (which is 0.56 mole fraction R1234YF and 0.44 mole fraction R513A) that I could just populate with an if statement based on fluid string? I did an on-line search but seem to only be able to find critical pressures, not triple-point

Matthew

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:48 AM Matthew Lawrence < @.***> wrote:

Hi Francesco - thanks for replying.

I'm not really sure how to proceed with an investigation - I'm not sure exactly what coolprop is doing to get that triple point information.

I started a discussion here at https://github.com/CoolProp/CoolProp/discussions to see if anyone had any suggestions there.

As far as I know, mixtures are supposed to work via REFPROP and abstract states, so I would have thought the triple point information would be accessible, but maybe not? Or maybe there's some way to constrain values when it's doing a search? I'll let you know if I find anything.

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:38 AM Francesco Witte < @.***> wrote:

Hi @matlawicebox https://github.com/matlawicebox,

Thank you for reporting the issue. Unfortunately, I have designed this library to work with pure fluids, I actually never tried using mixtures. So right now I am not sure, as what must be done to make it work with mixtures. If you are interested in investigating this, let me know, I would be happy to assist you where I can. Also, I currently do not have access to a REFPROP license to reproduce the issue...

Best

Francesco

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[fwitte]

Any ideas what could be the issue or if there's something I could do to debug how/where it's hanging?

I think, the mixture routines are quite slow. Fluprodia calculates the lines on 200 datapoints. For pure fluids, this routine might take a second or two, on mixtures this can go way beyond. Maybe try it by changing the number of datapoints and see, if that does anything. You could also benchmark the calls in a different script to get a feel for the time used.

Edit: You could write a small script and call the functions as done in this function, but with less enthalpy lines and with smaller points on the iterator.

https://github.com/fwitte/fluprodia/blob/6946284b09887573f35456a9e53cbd6e0af7b8f1/src/fluprodia/fluid_property_diagram.py#L581-L593

[matlawicebox]

I did get this response about the triple point issue:

Pmin isn't a trivial output for REFPROP backend, instead Tmin is a trivial output and then you need to do a saturation call to get the corresponding pressure

https://github.com/CoolProp/CoolProp/issues/2378

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 12:12 AM Francesco Witte @.***> wrote:

Any ideas what could be the issue or if there's something I could do to debug how/where it's hanging?

I think, the mixture routines are quite slow. Fluprodia calculates the lines on 200 datapoints. For pure fluids, this routine might take a second or two, on mixtures this can go way beyond. Maybe try it by changing the number of datapoints and see, if that does anything. You could also benchmark the calls in a different script to get a feel for the time used.

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