Why don't you update Kiwi anymore?

[esbtc]

Why don't you update Kiwi anymore? It's really a pity that a browser this good is not developed anymore

[pokatomnik]

As It seems, this project is officially dead. Consider using another browsers with extensions support (I will not recommend one, they can be easily found via Google). They stopped sharing Its source code since 2022. The last release date is Apr, 2024. What now? How can we use such outdated software? I guess Its time to uninstall It and drop a tear:'(

[varnit-nigam]

I request dev to clarify on this. I really love this browser, minus bugs, this has everything under the hood.

[lje]

Consider using another browsers with extensions support (I will not recommend one, they can be easily found via Google)

That list is quite short:

• Edge Canary
• Firefox and its forks Fennec and Mull

[pokatomnik]

Consider using another browsers with extensions support (I will not recommend one, they can be easily found via Google)

That list is quite short:

* Edge Canary

* Firefox and its forks Fennec and Mull

I tried Edge (Canary and stable), but I wasn't be able to install extensions from chrome web store. There's only Firefox and its forks which are have a complete extensions support. The another chromium-based one is Yandex browser (built with lots of internal advertisements) So sad about it.

[lje]

I tried Edge (Canary and stable), but I wasn't be able to install extensions from chrome web store.

You cannot (yet) install extensions directly from the store, it has to be done manually in the developer options (which need to be activated first by hitting the build number 5 times)

[pokatomnik]

I tried Edge (Canary and stable), but I wasn't be able to install extensions from chrome web store.

You cannot (yet) install extensions directly from the store, it has to be done manually in the developer options (which need to be activated first by hitting the build number 5 times)

Yep, I tried this approach. No such option listed. Maybe disabled for some regions, I guess.

[lje]

Yep, I tried this approach. No such option listed. Maybe disabled for some regions, I guess.

[pokatomnik]

Yep, I tried this approach. No such option listed. Maybe disabled for some regions, I guess.

No such option. Dunno why. I don't care actually. I don't think msedge is a good choice.

[lje]

I agree regarding "not a good choice", but unfortunately right now, it is the only Chromium based browser with full extension support, that is still being updated. Other browsers like Yandex only support a small fixed set of extensions.

[pokatomnik]

I agree regarding "not a good choice", but unfortunately right now, it is the only Chromium based browser with full extension support, that is still being updated. Other browsers like Yandex only support a small fixed set of extensions.

I was using Yandex for a couple of months and was able to install almost any Manifest3 extension directly from Chrome web store. The only thing I needed to do is to switch to desktop version. Disclaimer: I am not giving advices to use Yandex, Edge or Firefox. Just personal experience.

[i11010520]

Is it possible to build kiwi/src.next without build.find.kiwi server?

[tathastu871]

Lemur had ported both devtools and extension from kiwi extension sometime might be glithy laggy

But lemur had worst of all ui no tab grouping making browsing miserable

[varnit-nigam]

Consider using another browsers with extensions support (I will not recommend one, they can be easily found via Google)

That list is quite short:

• Edge Canary
• Firefox and its forks Fennec and Mull

Came across "Quetta Private Adblock Browser", supports addons from chrome extension store and MS edge addon store.

https://www.quetta.net/

But is only for mobile (android and ios and ipad). They say windows and mac OS is upcoming.

[tathastu871]

No tab groups Mobile version of sites not optimized site contents are clipped had to repeatedly switch to desktop mode Extensions open as panel not seperate tab just like lemur and thus the popup pages of extension not fully visible cannot make them fullscreen when you cant see the html completely because clipped from viewport its useless as a browser

The main selling point of kiwi besides extension is devtools which ismust in modern day where sites are cluttered user need to customize modify experience using javascript that requires testing via devtools

Quetta is hell slow in loading webpages you cant quickly browse and read webpages it loads them slowly

As for quetta only good thing is its video downloader and casting feature though dont know casting really works or not as i had no device to cast to, actually cast is greyed out and thus non working

quetta doesnt load videos properly on webpages we were forced to use quetta download feature to download lemur also had feature called super video (same as famous uc browser once had as lemur is also from chinese dev) which opens your webpage video as pip mode thereby reducing chances of ads and redirects but after latest update lemur had been crashing lot

[tathastu871]

its for sure their can never be one perfect browser with all features alteast basic features that makes a browser 'The Browser'

[tathastu871]

its for sure their can never be one perfect browser with all features alteast basic features that makes a browser 'The Browser' Those new devs keep wasting time reimplementing UI, chromium has it covered you just need to do modification to make it more user friendly

Those brave browser devs keeps wasting their time in adding AI and crypto currency features they lack simple bookmark exporting feature

[lje]

Thanks, as I dont need tab groups, I checked Lemur and Quetta. Quetta seems pretty basic with almost no customization (it seems impossible to move search bar to top etc.). Lemur looks good so far, I just can't find a way to disable live web search while typing something into the task bar. Lemur seems to have some kind of fixed "type ahead fing" which can't be disable. Bookmark import from Kiwi works fine in both browsers.

[tathastu871]

Thanks, as I dont need tab groups, I checked Lemur and Quetta. Quetta seems pretty basic with almost no customization (it seems impossible to move search bar to top etc.). Lemur looks good so far, I just can't find a way to disable live web search while typing something into the task bar. Lemur seems to have some kind of fixed "type ahead fing" which can't be disable. Bookmark import from Kiwi works fine in both browsers.

Always Be Careful when shifting browser

years back i shifted to brave used it for 2 yrs and collected 1000s of bookmark brave lacked many basic features back then and its devs are not ready to implement ignoring git issues so i was forced to shift to kiwi But brave even in 2024 lacked basic bookmark export featre so all my data in brave was struck cannot transfer to kiwi

Same with kiwi i strted browsing on regular basid colleced 1000s of opened tabs Them came to know, it has bugs you exit the app via menu -> exit it closed all tabs i keel losing my tabs Also it didnt have feature to select all regular tabs and export them like bravr or cheome does So i was struck with opened 1000s of tabs i cant close them without backing them.up and it makes my browsing very laggy and slow it takes 5 min to open browser and start using it

I had to use computer and adb as intermediaty to backup those tabs

[tathastu871]

Lemur had been crashing after latest update so be careful when swithig

[pokatomnik]

Consider using another browsers with extensions support (I will not recommend one, they can be easily found via Google)

That list is quite short:

• Edge Canary
• Firefox and its forks Fennec and Mull

Came across "Quetta Private Adblock Browser", supports addons from chrome extension store and MS edge addon store.

https://www.quetta.net/

But is only for mobile (android and ios and ipad). They say windows and mac OS is upcoming.

Not open source, unfortunately (feel free to argue if you have another opinion). Quetta is pretty new browser, so I am not sure It's trustworthy. I'd rather trust a big tech company browser than a new one with closed sources. That's why I trusted Kiwi one day.

[tathastu871]

google chrome / chromium for android good and fast i had 1400 tabs open in both and yet no glitch or lag when switching tabs, yes to make switching fast they dont show preview if each tabs content thys it becones difficult to navigate

But But chromium for android latesr have addes search feature you can ditectky search open tabs using url or keywords and its amazing at first glance when i tried

As for ads in chromium or googlr chrome use adguard dns wide on your router or just adgurad app through vpn profile

Or if have root nothing stopping you

Also chroimum for android come with content shell apk

Another browser is ' THORIUM BROWSER THE FASTEST ON EARTH AS ITS DEV CLAIM AND ITS TRUE IT USES HARDWARE ACCELERATION AND BLAZING FAST WHEN SWITCHING 100S OF TAB

[Reopado]

What happened to the update that was supposed to be dropping? That was weeks, maybe months ago now.

It's a shame nobody with the skills can or will save Kiwi as it's by far the best browser for Android.

[Githubmaniak]

I wish someone would update Kiwi, Firefox for Android still has a lot of shortcomings.

[chromer030]

If you take a look at about:gpu , you will see that current build of kiwi (124.0.6327.3) is based on chromium 116 not 124!

(kiwi 124 is installable on android 7 while chromium 124 is only installable on android 8+)

[varnit-nigam]

Thanks, as I dont need tab groups, I checked Lemur and Quetta. Quetta seems pretty basic with almost no customization (it seems impossible to move search bar to top etc.). Lemur looks good so far, I just can't find a way to disable live web search while typing something into the task bar. Lemur seems to have some kind of fixed "type ahead fing" which can't be disable. Bookmark import from Kiwi works fine in both browsers.

Always Be Careful when shifting browser

years back i shifted to brave used it for 2 yrs and collected 1000s of bookmark brave lacked many basic features back then and its devs are not ready to implement ignoring git issues so i was forced to shift to kiwi But brave even in 2024 lacked basic bookmark export featre so all my data in brave was struck cannot transfer to kiwi

Same with kiwi i strted browsing on regular basid colleced 1000s of opened tabs Them came to know, it has bugs you exit the app via menu -> exit it closed all tabs i keel losing my tabs Also it didnt have feature to select all regular tabs and export them like bravr or cheome does So i was struck with opened 1000s of tabs i cant close them without backing them.up and it makes my browsing very laggy and slow it takes 5 min to open browser and start using it

I had to use computer and adb as intermediaty to backup those tabs

Use raindrop bookmark manager software tool. Its handy and lifesaver for people like us who are bookmark freaks out there.

[varnit-nigam]

Thanks, as I dont need tab groups, I checked Lemur and Quetta. Quetta seems pretty basic with almost no customization (it seems impossible to move search bar to top etc.). Lemur looks good so far, I just can't find a way to disable live web search while typing something into the task bar. Lemur seems to have some kind of fixed "type ahead fing" which can't be disable. Bookmark import from Kiwi works fine in both browsers.

Try Vivaldi or Opera on Android. I'm using both on another device and have seen improvements from them.

[varnit-nigam]

I wish someone would update Kiwi, Firefox for Android still has a lot of shortcomings.

Use Fenix browser or Iceraven browser or Waterfox browser on mobile. Rest floorp and Zen browser for desktop.

[funnycups]

What a pity that Kiwi is the only browser offering support for add-ons, developer tools, and open-source features all in one. I hope it will continue to be developed.

[Iiridayn]

To answer the OP and others in thread, it is likely that Kiwi doesn't make enough money to afford to update it. People need to eat, and people with technical skills have many demands on their time and attention. It is not fair to demand releases unless you are a paying customer; and if you are, you vote with your feet.

While the developer or team might be facing a crisis unrelated to cashflow, the simple fact is, had they more money they could have more developers who could then pick up the slack when dealing with a crisis.

Please, do not be demanding, or sarcastic, or bitter, or whining about something you have gotten for free. Instead be grateful it has existed at all. If it's so valuable that you want to see it continue to exist, ask yourself how you can help. Negative, critical, and rude feedback is a sure way to sap energy from developers - and without it, they are better served working for Microsoft, Google, or Amazon, etc.

Whining is not a way to help - it only drives away those who could.

[CyanDragonS]

If you take a look at about:gpu , you will see that current build of kiwi (124.0.6327.3) is based on chromium 116 not 124!

(kiwi 124 is installable on android 7 while chromium 124 is only installable on android 8+)

Holy shit it is real. I give up it!

[lje]

Instead be grateful it has existed at all.

I agree - as with every free software, the developer does not owe continued support or development to the users. There is still one thing I'd like: a clear statement that Kiwi development has ended and removal of the APKs from Github and Google Play. Providing a software with known security vulnerabilities that are actively being exploitet, puts unaware users at risk. Kiwi, in its current state, should not be available for download any more.

[pokatomnik]

To answer the OP and others in thread, it is likely that Kiwi doesn't make enough money to afford to update it. People need to eat, and people with technical skills have many demands on their time and attention. It is not fair to demand releases unless you are a paying customer; and if you are, you vote with your feet.

While the developer or team might be facing a crisis unrelated to cashflow, the simple fact is, had they more money they could have more developers who could then pick up the slack when dealing with a crisis.

Please, do not be demanding, or sarcastic, or bitter, or whining about something you have gotten for free. Instead be grateful it has existed at all. If it's so valuable that you want to see it continue to exist, ask yourself how you can help. Negative, critical, and rude feedback is a sure way to sap energy from developers - and without it, they are better served working for Microsoft, Google, or Amazon, etc.

Whining is not a way to help - it only drives away those who could.

Developers could help with implementing features and fixing bugs, but the browser is not open source at the moment. AFAIK, there is no donation button either. Therefore, the company that created the software has lost interest in supporting it. My previous posts are just a warning about issues with outdated (and probably vulnerable) software.

[funnycups]

According to what I saw in Telegram groups, it seems that Kiwi is still under development but hasn't been released for performance or other reasons. Perhaps we could stay patient and eager for updates.

[lje]

Perhaps we could stay patient and eager for updates.

Personal opinion: No, look for a new browser. Even if Kiwi gets an update today, it has been w/o security updates for too long. Leaving users at risk for such a long time is irresponsible. The currently available Kiwi version should have been removed months ago.

[tathastu871]

we are ready to pay few dollars, we alreasy purchase sone good apps on play store why not this as donation

Problem is kiwi developer himself not responding he isnt replying to any of this threads or issues likely he already abondoned it he might not be login to his git account

[varnit-nigam]

we are ready to pay few dollars, we alreasy purchase sone good apps on play store why not this as donation

Problem is kiwi developer himself not responding he isnt replying to any of this threads or issues likely he already abondoned it he might not be login to his git account

Or He's watching memento right now for weeks.

[esbtc]

we are ready to pay few dollars, we alreasy purchase sone good apps on play store why not this as donation

Problem is kiwi developer himself not responding he isnt replying to any of this threads or issues likely he already abondoned it he might not be login to his git account

Maybe he is dead and he is no longer in this world. I hope I am wrong

[varnit-nigam]

we are ready to pay few dollars, we alreasy purchase sone good apps on play store why not this as donation Problem is kiwi developer himself not responding he isnt replying to any of this threads or issues likely he already abondoned it he might not be login to his git account

Maybe he is dead and he is no longer in this world. I hope I am wrong

Contact with him on telegram as kiwi has telegram group.

[gggirlgeek]

+1 for requesting updates. kiwi is my favorite on Android. On tablet, in laptop mode, it's the closest to desktop usage with addons. No Firefox variants allow selecting text to do a websearch (long click).

Here are the browsers I'm using. Almost all support addons. chromite is my default for apps opening sign in pages (too many tweaks and blockers in my everyday kiwi browser so I use "Better Open With" app to choose a browser depending on my needs.)

[gggirlgeek]

Xbrowser is my second favorite chrome variant with extensions on Android.

[esbtc]

Xbrowser is my second favorite chrome variant with extensions on Android.

I installed cromite and XBrowser on Android but they don't support Chrome extensions

[chromer030]

cromite doesn't support extensions (yet).

[kakhulu31]

I don't want to sound like a shill, but it seems that currently the fastest chromium based android browser with tab grid support is Lemur (chromium 127), it's 40% faster than latest kiwi in speedometer. All the other ones are either slower than kiwi (quetta, mises) or gecko based (rainsee=kito browser) or don't have tab grid support (edge canary, yandex)

XBrowser

It has a script manager preinstalled, a decent one, unlike what Via has, so you can use usercripts instead of extensions, for many people this is enough.

[esbtc]

how?

It has a script manager preinstalled, a decent one, unlike what Via has, so you can use usercripts instead of extensions, for many people this is enough.

[MasterInQuestion]

    I suspect the author is capped by the (in many cases thoughtlessly bumped) Android version requirement.

    [ Quote chromer030 @ CE 2024-11-01 06:12:31 UTC: https://github.com/kiwibrowser/src.next/issues/1195#issuecomment-2451356946     If you take a look at "about:gpu", you will see that current build of Kiwi (124.0.6327.3) is based on Chromium 116 not 124!     (Kiwi 124 is installable on Android 7 while Chromium 124 is only installable on Android 8+) ]

    That maybe somewhat troublesome to deal with.     (essentially everything wrong with the contemporary architecture)

    ----

    [ Quote lje @ CE 2024-11-07 07:13:09 UTC: https://github.com/kiwibrowser/src.next/issues/1195#issuecomment-2461482470     Kiwi, in its current state, should not be available for download any more. ]

    [ funnycups @ CE 2024-11-05 09:58:31 UTC: https://github.com/kiwibrowser/src.next/issues/1195#issuecomment-2456731993     What a pity that Kiwi is the only browser offering support for add-ons, developer tools, and open-source features all in one.     I hope it will continue to be developed. ] \ \     "... known security vulnerabilities that are actively being exploited, puts unaware users at risk."     Unaware users cannot maintain security whatsoever.     If security is really of significant concern: one should consider using Firefox derivative.

    Probably not really so "actively exploited": as the major IT world also lacks the adequate knowledge of doing things properly.     (thus why so many bugs and countless patching / broken again)

[tathastu871]

lemur browser forked kiwi devtools and extension, they should have forked the whole kiwi and continued development

[funnycups]

lemur browser forked kiwi devtools and extension, they should have forked the whole kiwi and continued development

It was however not open-sourced.