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Items to check from CLTS cross-check #484

Open cormacanderson opened 6 years ago

cormacanderson commented 6 years ago

Opening this issue for items that should be checked after the CLTS cross-check. I will move items here from https://github.com/cldf/clts/issues/120

cormacanderson commented 6 years ago
LuPaschen commented 6 years ago

Preaspiration

The transcriptions look fine to me, so this seems to be an issue of segmentation (?)

  1. Grapheme "ɪʰ" (8 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 2217 Icelandic mid mɪʰt m � t
2 2219 Faroese mid mɪʰtt m � �
3 2220 Stavanger mid mɪʰt m � t
4 2222 Skåne mid mɪʰtʰ m � tʰ
5 9651 Stavanger quick kʰvɪʰk̟ kʰ v � �
6 10936 Stavanger sit! sɪʰt s � t
7 11159 Stavanger drink! ˈdʁ̞ɪʰk̟k̟ d ʁ̞ � �
8 11161 Skåne drink! dʁɪʰk̟ʰ d ʁ � �
  1. Grapheme "ɔʰ" (4 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 2004 Icelandic top tʰɔʰp tʰ � p
2 2006 Faroese top tʰɔʰpˑ tʰ � �
3 5603 Icelandic daughter ˈdɔʰtɪz̠ d � t ɪ �
4 5827 Faroese night nɔʰt n � t
  1. Grapheme "äʰ" (3 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 1486 Faroese right ɹäʰttʌ̈ɹ̝ ɹ � � ʌ �
2 5606 Stavanger daughter ˈdäʰtə̠ʁ d � t ə̠ ʁ
3 5828 Stavanger night näʰt n � t
  1. Grapheme "ˈɔʰ" (2 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 919 Faroese eight ˈɔʰttä � � a
2 920 Stavanger eight ˈɔʰttə � � ə
  1. Grapheme "ɛʰ" (2 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 1487 Stavanger right ʁɛʰtt ʁ � �
2 11156 Icelandic drink! ˈdɾɛʰkä d ɾ � k a
  1. Grapheme "ɛ̝ʰ" (2 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 1489 Skåne right ʁ̞ɛ̝ʰtʰ ʁ̞ � tʰ
2 11158 Faroese drink! dɾɛ̝ʰk̟k̟ d ɾ � �
  1. Grapheme "ˈäʊʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 917 Icelandic eight ˈäʊʰtä � t a
  1. Grapheme "ɪ̆aʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 1484 Icelandic right rɪ̆aʰt r � t
  1. Grapheme "ɒʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 2007 Stavanger top tʰɒʰpp tʰ � �
  1. Grapheme "ɔ̞ʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 5605 Faroese daughter ˈdɔ̞ʰttəɹ̝ d � � ə �
  1. Grapheme "ɔʊʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 5825 Icelandic night nɔʊʰt n � t
  1. Grapheme "aʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 5830 Skåne night naʰtʰ n � tʰ
  1. Grapheme "ɛˑiˑʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 7886 Stavanger oak ɛˑiˑʰk̟ � �
  1. Grapheme "eəʰ" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 10067 Faroese better ˈbeəʰtɹ̝̥ə b � t � ə

Affricates & complex segments

Is this a problem with the positioning of the tie, CLTS, or both?

  1. Grapheme "θ̠͡ʰ" (7 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 121 Liverpool two tθ̠͡ʰʉː t � ʉː
2 1047 Liverpool ten tθ̠͡ʰɛn t � ɛ n
3 1943 Liverpool top tθ̠͡ʰɒp t � ɒ p
4 2562 Liverpool tear tθ̠͡ʰiˑə t � iˑə
5 2760 Liverpool tongue tθ̠͡ʰʊŋɡ t � ʊ ŋ g
6 2875 Liverpool tooth tθ̠͡ʰʉˑθ t � ʉˑ θ
7 3324 Liverpool toe tθ̠͡ʰɛˑʉˑ t � ɛˑʉˑ
  1. Grapheme "ð̠͡" (3 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 5508 Liverpool daughter ˈdð̠͡ɔːtə d � ɔː t ə
2 5617 Liverpool day dð̠͡eˑɪ d � eˑɪ
3 11060 Liverpool drink! dð̠͡ɾɪŋk d � ɾ ɪ ŋ k

These aren't affricates, but what exactly are they? Ejectives?

  1. Grapheme "ʔ͡ə̆" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 11769 Tyneside open ˈɒpʔ͡ə̆n ɒ p � n
  1. Grapheme "ʔ͡ɐ" (2 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 5507 Tyneside daughter ˈdɔːtʔ͡ɐ d ɔː t �
2 9967 Tyneside better ˈbɛtʔ͡ɐ b ɛ t �
  1. Grapheme "ʔ͡ə" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 9761 Tyneside naked ˈneˑkʔ͡əd n eˑ k � d

Historical varieties

Is the "ə" linguolabial? Or the "l"? Or is this a typo?

  1. Grapheme "uə̼" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 8397 Middle High German stool stuə̼l s t � l

Superscript x

  1. Grapheme "ˣw" (2 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 1625 Old Frisian what? ˣwɛt � ɛ t
2 8850 Old Frisian white ˣwiːt � iː t
  1. Grapheme "ˣr" (1 occurence)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 8741 Old Frisian ring ˣriŋg � i ŋ g
LuPaschen commented 6 years ago
  1. Grapheme "]" (29 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 351 Lindisfarne four ˈfɔ̈ŭɐ[ʁ̞] f � � ʁ̞ �
2 1161 Lindisfarne hundred ˈhɔ̈ndɐ[ʁ̞] h ɔ n d ɐ � ʁ̞ �
3 1170 E Mod: Shakespeare hundred ˈ[h]ɤndrəd � h � ɤ n d r ə d
4 1276 Lindisfarne year iˑɐ[ʁ̞] iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
5 2015 Lindisfarne over ˈɔ̈ŭɐ[ʁ̞] � � ʁ̞ �
6 2237 E Mod: Shakespeare head [h]ɛd � h � ɛ d
7 2446 Lindisfarne ear iˑɐ[ʁ̞] iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
8 2560 Lindisfarne tear tiˑɐ[ʁ̞] t iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
9 2993 E Mod: Shakespeare hand [h]and � h � a n d
10 3755 E Mod: Shakespeare heart [h]aɻt � h � a ɻ t
11 3857 Lindisfarne liver ˈlɪ̠vɐ[ʁ̞] l ɪ̠ v ɐ � ʁ̞ �
12 3975 E Mod: Shakespeare hound [h]əˑʊˑnd � h � əˑʊˑ n d
13 4730 E Mod: Shakespeare horn [h]ɒɻn � h � ɒ ɻ n
14 5167 Lindisfarne mother ˈmɔ̈ðɐ[ʁ̞] m ɔ ð ɐ � ʁ̞ �
15 5279 Lindisfarne father ˈfe̞ðɐ[ʁ̞] f e̞ ð ɐ � ʁ̞ �
16 5392 Lindisfarne brother ˈbʁ̞ɔ̈ðɐ[ʁ̞] b ʁ̞ ɔ ð ɐ � ʁ̞ �
17 5506 Lindisfarne daughter ˈdɔ̈ʊtɐ[ʁ̞] d ɔʊ t ɐ � ʁ̞ �
18 6933 Lindisfarne thunder ˈθɔ̈nɐ[ʁ̞] θ ɔ n ɐ � ʁ̞ �
19 7042 Lindisfarne hunger ˈhɔ̈ŋɐ[ʁ̞] h ɔ ŋ ɐ � ʁ̞ �
20 7051 E Mod: Shakespeare hunger ˈ[h]ɤŋɡəɻ � h � ɤ ŋ g ə ɻ
21 7493 E Mod: Shakespeare honey [h]ɤnəɪ � h � ɤ n əɪ
22 7903 E Mod: Shakespeare house [h]əʊs � h � əʊ s
23 8225 E Mod: Shakespeare home [h]oːm � h � oː m
24 9502 Lindisfarne sore seˑɐ[ʁ] s eˑɐ � ʁ �
25 9871 E Mod: Shakespeare holy ˈ[h]oːləɪ � h � oː l əɪ
26 9966 Lindisfarne better ˈbɛtɐ[ʁ̞] b ɛ t ɐ � ʁ̞ �
27 11359 Lindisfarne hear! hiˑɐ[ʁ̞] h iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
28 11368 E Mod: Shakespeare hear! [h]iːɻ � h � iː ɻ
29 11662 Lindisfarne swear! swiˑɐ[ʁ̞] s w iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
  1. Grapheme "[" (26 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 351 Lindisfarne four ˈfɔ̈ŭɐ[ʁ̞] f � � ʁ̞ �
2 1161 Lindisfarne hundred ˈhɔ̈ndɐ[ʁ̞] h ɔ n d ɐ � ʁ̞ �
3 1276 Lindisfarne year iˑɐ[ʁ̞] iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
4 2015 Lindisfarne over ˈɔ̈ŭɐ[ʁ̞] � � ʁ̞ �
5 2237 E Mod: Shakespeare head [h]ɛd � h � ɛ d
6 2446 Lindisfarne ear iˑɐ[ʁ̞] iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
7 2560 Lindisfarne tear tiˑɐ[ʁ̞] t iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
8 2993 E Mod: Shakespeare hand [h]and � h � a n d
9 3755 E Mod: Shakespeare heart [h]aɻt � h � a ɻ t
10 3857 Lindisfarne liver ˈlɪ̠vɐ[ʁ̞] l ɪ̠ v ɐ � ʁ̞ �
11 3975 E Mod: Shakespeare hound [h]əˑʊˑnd � h � əˑʊˑ n d
12 4730 E Mod: Shakespeare horn [h]ɒɻn � h � ɒ ɻ n
13 5167 Lindisfarne mother ˈmɔ̈ðɐ[ʁ̞] m ɔ ð ɐ � ʁ̞ �
14 5279 Lindisfarne father ˈfe̞ðɐ[ʁ̞] f e̞ ð ɐ � ʁ̞ �
15 5392 Lindisfarne brother ˈbʁ̞ɔ̈ðɐ[ʁ̞] b ʁ̞ ɔ ð ɐ � ʁ̞ �
16 5506 Lindisfarne daughter ˈdɔ̈ʊtɐ[ʁ̞] d ɔʊ t ɐ � ʁ̞ �
17 6933 Lindisfarne thunder ˈθɔ̈nɐ[ʁ̞] θ ɔ n ɐ � ʁ̞ �
18 7042 Lindisfarne hunger ˈhɔ̈ŋɐ[ʁ̞] h ɔ ŋ ɐ � ʁ̞ �
19 7493 E Mod: Shakespeare honey [h]ɤnəɪ � h � ɤ n əɪ
20 7903 E Mod: Shakespeare house [h]əʊs � h � əʊ s
21 8225 E Mod: Shakespeare home [h]oːm � h � oː m
22 9502 Lindisfarne sore seˑɐ[ʁ] s eˑɐ � ʁ �
23 9966 Lindisfarne better ˈbɛtɐ[ʁ̞] b ɛ t ɐ � ʁ̞ �
24 11359 Lindisfarne hear! hiˑɐ[ʁ̞] h iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
25 11368 E Mod: Shakespeare hear! [h]iːɻ � h � iː ɻ
26 11662 Lindisfarne swear! swiˑɐ[ʁ̞] s w iˑɐ � ʁ̞ �
  1. Grapheme "ˈ[" (3 occurences)
Index ID DOCULECT CONCEPT IPA TOKENS
1 1170 E Mod: Shakespeare hundred ˈ[h]ɤndrəd � h � ɤ n d r ə d
2 7051 E Mod: Shakespeare hunger ˈ[h]ɤŋɡəɻ � h � ɤ ŋ g ə ɻ
3 9871 E Mod: Shakespeare holy ˈ[h]oːləɪ � h � oː l əɪ
cormacanderson commented 6 years ago

I think the preaspirated tokens you should be able to fix with the orthography profile by specififying ʰp, ʰt, ʰk. For the affricates and complex segments in Liverpool English, it looks like the retracted diacritic is likely to be the problem. Tiago and I will add this to CLTS when we meet next week. These transcriptions represent stops with a strong release burst, but otherwise should be okay. For the Tyneside glottalised ones, it's likely to be a misplaced tiebar that is causing the problem.