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'Scalar negation of selbri' has errors with {bo}, {ke'e}. #471

Open lagleki opened 2 years ago

lagleki commented 2 years ago

reported by la langer:

I compared the uncll(Version geklojban-1.2.13, Generated 2021-05-31) with original cll, and found what I believe are mistakes likely caused by overcomplex tanru structure in section 5.12 "Scalar negation of selbri"
To my understanding, the cmavo of selma'o JA associate words more closely than nothing at all, so:
(broda brode) brodi
(broda ja brode) brodi
broda (brode ja brodi)
I will attach the uncll text here and then present the modified version which I think is correct:
1.Example 5.121
  • uncll:

Now consider Example 5.121 and Example 5.122, which are equivalent in meaning, but use normal grouping and ke grouping respectively:

Example 5.121.  

mi sutra cadzu be fi le birka be'o
I (quickly (walking using the arms )
je masno klama le zarci
and slowly) go-to the market.

I go to the market, both quickly walking using my arms and slowly.

taking out the selbri, that will be:
sutra cadzu (be...be'o) je masno klama
where "cadzu" and "masno" will be connected more closely by "je", the structure becoming
(sutra (cadzu je masno)) klama
  • corrected:

Now consider Example 5.121 and Example 5.122, which are equivalent in meaning, but use bo grouping and ke grouping respectively:

Example 5.121.  

mi sutra bo cadzu be fi le birka be'o
I (quickly (walking using the arms )
je masno klama le zarci
and slowly) go-to the market.

I go to the market, both quickly walking using my arms and slowly.

"bo" connects more closely than "je"

((sutra bo cadzu) je masno) klama
which agrees with Example 5.122

Similarily, Example 5.123 should also be modified:

Example 5.123.  

mi na'e sutra bo cadzu be fi le birka be'o
I ((non- quickly) (walking using the arms )
je masno klama le zarci
and slowly) go-to the market.
2.Example 5.125
A duplication of "[ke'e]" and one extra right parenthesis, they should be removed.
  • uncll:

Example 5.125.  

mi na'e ke sutra cadzu be fi le birka be'o [ke'e]
I non- ( quickly walking [ using the arms ] )
je masno klama [ke'e] le zarci
and slowly) go-to ) the market.
  • corrected:

Example 5.125.  

mi na'e ke sutra bo cadzu be fi le birka be'o
I non- ( quickly walking [ using the arms ]
je masno klama [ke'e] le zarci
and slowly go-to ) the market.
Example 5.126 can also be modified accordingly:

Example 5.126.  

mi na'e ke sutra bo cadzu be fi le birka je masno
I non ( quickly walk on-my (the arm-type and slow)
klama [be'o] [ke'e] le zarci
goers ) on-surface the market.
That's all, have a nice day!
geezmolycos commented 2 years ago

I'm la langer, the one who brought up this. Just checked out the pre-release and it's been properly fixed (in version 1.2.14) :tada: :tada: