DefCon 27 Workgroup Meeting: 6 April 2019 17:00 UTC

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[2019-04-06 12:00:45] sgp set the topic to Defcon workgroup meeting NOW https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/317 [2019-04-06 12:00:49] As it's 17 UTC, let's start the Defcon 27 workgroup meeting [2019-04-06 12:00:59] Agenda can be found here: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/317 [2019-04-06 12:01:08] 1. Introduction/Greetings [2019-04-06 12:01:12] <sgp> hello! [2019-04-06 12:01:15] <parasew[m]> hi! [2019-04-06 12:01:21] Hello. [2019-04-06 12:01:54] Hello [2019-04-06 12:02:44] hi (half around) [2019-04-06 12:03:01] Ok. Hi [2019-04-06 12:03:04] Next agenda item is covering important things for new folk to know [2019-04-06 12:03:14] → ajs_xmr joined (~ajs@unaffiliated/ajsantos) [2019-04-06 12:03:38] Which I think technically there are no new folk, but for the sake of the IRC record we can cover such things [2019-04-06 12:04:04] xmrscott: What's a good thing to help new people participate? [2019-04-06 12:04:05] The big one is making sure you have access to the Defcon workgroup Taiga instance: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-vegas-august-2018/ [2019-04-06 12:04:32] Hi [2019-04-06 12:04:44] hello [2019-04-06 12:04:47] If anyone needs help with Taiga, there are a bunch of administrators for the project that can add you or help. [2019-04-06 12:05:30] Yep. [2019-04-06 12:05:42] Did we want to make a new Taiga for 2019? [2019-04-06 12:05:53] it would be better [2019-04-06 12:06:09] We can't search information if there are two places to find it. [2019-04-06 12:06:19] Should we copy all the old information to the new Taiga project? [2019-04-06 12:06:40] Yeah, I agree with msvb-mob there, it should be copied if we create a new group, and more generic, non-year name used [2019-04-06 12:07:32] Just so we don't have to start over completely from scratch in terms of certain Taiga templates, etc [2019-04-06 12:07:42] ⇐ bearretinjapan quit (ferretinja@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ferretinjapan): Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number [2019-04-06 12:07:59] Ok. Whatever is best. Was just asking. [2019-04-06 12:08:03] Is anyone in objection to creating a new taiga instance? [2019-04-06 12:08:11] group instance [2019-04-06 12:08:15] → bearretinjapan joined (ferretinja@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ferretinjapan) [2019-04-06 12:08:26] I think two makes the most sense [2019-04-06 12:09:05] Year neutral Taiga instance is scalable [2019-04-06 12:09:12] sgp: So there should be a new one each year, and we delete the one from last year? Or we leave the one from last year as a duplicate? [2019-04-06 12:09:24] <sgp> I say leave it as an archive [2019-04-06 12:09:34] Leave for reference and copy over info [2019-04-06 12:10:20] It just makes things neater. You don't accidentally open up files from the previous year. [2019-04-06 12:10:32] Or see discussions from the previous year and mistakenly think they are for this year. [2019-04-06 12:10:40] Avoids confusion. Just my thoughts. [2019-04-06 12:10:47] or make it hard to figure out what we did previous years [2019-04-06 12:10:57] or worse, start helping to organise DefCon 2018 unknowingly [2019-04-06 12:10:57] It's actually a privacy feature, ring-comments [2019-04-06 12:11:20] So I take it we can leave it to you msvb-mob to create the new group like you did last year? [2019-04-06 12:11:35] Lmao midipoet [2019-04-06 12:13:24] Oh nice, there is a Taiga feature to 'Duplicate Project' which seems to be for solving the problem we are talking about. [2019-04-06 12:13:34] It says 'Start clean and keep your configuration'. [2019-04-06 12:13:49] That's what you want, yeah. It leaves admins as admins and stuff. [2019-04-06 12:14:05] Alright, seems like we have that issue relatively resolved. So apart from Taiga, is there anything people believe that should be highlighted to help onboard new folk? [2019-04-06 12:16:14] Alright, next agenda item then [2019-04-06 12:16:52] For reference if you're looking to see how you can help, there's a set defined roles, but if you feel something is missing feel free to create a new role and assign yourself to it [2019-04-06 12:17:02] This is last years for reference: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-vegas-august-2018/us/5 [2019-04-06 12:17:13] Pulling it up [2019-04-06 12:17:57] I'll start putting this as a volunteer opportunity in the Revuo Weekly. [2019-04-06 12:18:20] Which brings us to the Postmortem agenda item [2019-04-06 12:18:30] I'll have myself, Scott, and Michael as contacts. [2019-04-06 12:18:56] What could have gone better last year? I know for example one major one was we weren't happy with the AV solution defcon provided us [2019-04-06 12:19:07] rehrar: you should be master of ceremonies again, you did great last year [2019-04-06 12:19:31] xmrscott: yes, AV was a big annoyance [2019-04-06 12:19:31] I'm down if you guys want. [2019-04-06 12:20:00] → SomaticFanatic joined (~SomaticFa@gateway/tor-sasl/somaticfanatic) [2019-04-06 12:20:05] Walkie talkies were hit or miss. There was a time where Michael was trying to contact us through them when he was away. We received his transmissions, but when we spoke back he didn't hear us. [2019-04-06 12:20:09] another issue at the beginning of the conference: the table area was too loud and was annoying to those trying to listen to speeches [2019-04-06 12:20:11] AV really sucked and it was hard coordinating with goons to get needed stuff [2019-04-06 12:20:14] if we take control of AV, its not a small job. especially if we want sound and video recorded/streamed [2019-04-06 12:20:21] we mitigated this by moving the greet table outside of the room [2019-04-06 12:21:32] Pony had several suggestions for this year. Let me find them and we can discuss. Sec. [2019-04-06 12:21:34] I liked handing out fliers to other defcon attendees [2019-04-06 12:21:38] sgp_: That was a risky move, and we got punished for moving the table outside by management. [2019-04-06 12:21:47] It's unlikely we can do that next year again. [2019-04-06 12:21:50] To direct them to the Monero room [2019-04-06 12:22:04] msvb-mob: did they talk to you directly? we had it outside for several days [2019-04-06 12:22:36] Yes, they made a great deal of fuss about having village things outside the village. [2019-04-06 12:22:37] I like some of the grey area acts like bringing a cooler, in some cases what management doesn't see they don't care about. [2019-04-06 12:22:45] Ambience in the room. It was purely functional/generic/sterile. Some villages do super cool things with lightning mostly to transform room into cool place. Bit more like CCC for those who know. [2019-04-06 12:23:03] binaryFate: IoT does a great job with ambience, and they even had couches. [2019-04-06 12:23:12] binaryFate: that's a great idea [2019-04-06 12:23:16] A themed room [2019-04-06 12:23:25] I know a friend who makes reactive LED strips [2019-04-06 12:23:55] http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/57d04cef09d29324008b66b8-2400/img_8013.jpg [2019-04-06 12:24:04] That's the IoT village's wall lighting concept. [2019-04-06 12:24:26] I like it [2019-04-06 12:24:27] Lights on the floor pointing upward, the colors they can control. [2019-04-06 12:24:38] Can we wear costumes at the event? [2019-04-06 12:24:39] that was one of the suggestions binaryFate [2019-04-06 12:24:42] a place where people can chill [2019-04-06 12:24:45] lower lighting conditions [2019-04-06 12:24:58] Comfortable seating [2019-04-06 12:25:12] yeah. Making it somewhere you want to hang besides listening to interesting things [2019-04-06 12:25:12] Like for small groups [2019-04-06 12:25:38] ok, found pony suggestions. Want me to list them now? [2019-04-06 12:25:40] Flexible to organize for presentations but also allow people to have small group conversations and ask questions [2019-04-06 12:26:02] but if people are hanging out then there will be noise issues. unless we have less talks, and more time for "chilling". we might then need noise police for during talks? [2019-04-06 12:26:05] Xeagu: I want this too, we just need to manage the noise [2019-04-06 12:26:21] having these convos are extremely important [2019-04-06 12:26:26] 1. 15 Minutes in between talks. They cannot be back to back. Defcon is now in three hotels and it will be difficult to get people to move around and get to talks on time. [2019-04-06 12:26:35] 2. Play music in between talks [2019-04-06 12:26:38] We might have a section devoted to that very purpose [2019-04-06 12:26:45] 3. Mood lighting (as we discussed) [2019-04-06 12:26:54] Like a small group speaker ama break out session [2019-04-06 12:26:55] 4. Privacy village split the room in two. Hangout/business. [2019-04-06 12:27:15] 5. KILL THE SQUEAKY DOORS! Door wedges to keep the door open. [2019-04-06 12:27:23] 6. Focus on setting up the first day rather than having a half day. [2019-04-06 12:27:24] Each speaker leads a small group and helps answer questions [2019-04-06 12:27:39] 7. Have a volunteer sign up on site. Volunteer group in Wire or something. [2019-04-06 12:27:57] 8. No way to use Monero at the Monero village. That was sad. Maybe ask Ledger for a Monero branded version? [2019-04-06 12:28:00] the end [2019-04-06 12:28:12] rehrar: I hope we can have a lot more music this time. It's important to keep it out of recordings however, because Defcon doesn't have licenses for royalties. [2019-04-06 12:28:22] right [2019-04-06 12:28:27] which brings us back to AV [2019-04-06 12:28:34] 9. Find the video loops that were created and actually play them for extra ambience. [2019-04-06 12:28:41] I think it's critical we do our own AV this year, including recording [2019-04-06 12:28:55] I know it's a big big task, but the quality they provided was quite poor [2019-04-06 12:29:00] I agree. Last year's was so bad. We can't really do worse [2019-04-06 12:29:06] Yes, but ultimately sneurlax would be the best person to sign off/do it [2019-04-06 12:29:13] sneurlax: boi? [2019-04-06 12:29:14] i am willing to help with AV - actually have a lot of experience with this (in real life) [2019-04-06 12:29:24] same here [2019-04-06 12:29:27] I like the idea of giving new people a chance to actually use and practice using the technology. We could use a different brand if you guys don't like COM, but our weekly Mass style is great for at least giving people an opportunity to be facilitated in using the technology. [2019-04-06 12:29:34] <sneurlax[m]> oi [2019-04-06 12:29:42] ajs, you have a lot of things needed for it, can you please make a list of things we don't ahve? [2019-04-06 12:29:45] have [2019-04-06 12:29:48] and we can CCS them ASAP [2019-04-06 12:29:51] however, hardware will be needed (i know we have stuff from last year), but we will also need cameras, and probably a better audio interface for recording. also recording slides is an issue [2019-04-06 12:29:56] <sneurlax[m]> guys I'm a farmer now [2019-04-06 12:30:05] <sneurlax[m]> I only code to automate the greenhouses [2019-04-06 12:30:13] Xeagu: yes, practicing sending transactions is something that's been used in the Bitcoin community with much success since forever [2019-04-06 12:30:18] sure [2019-04-06 12:30:19] <sneurlax[m]> -_- [2019-04-06 12:30:23] thank you [2019-04-06 12:30:33] ajsxmr: i am wiling to help you with AV if you want [2019-04-06 12:30:42] I would be more than happy to house camera and recording equipment at my place and ferry to the conference. I would use them to make Monero videos. :d [2019-04-06 12:30:44] <sgp> midipoet: we would need a computer to use OBS or something [2019-04-06 12:30:48] <Xeagu> sgp_: yes. I'm suggesting we devote some time to doing just that in an organized way [2019-04-06 12:30:57] <sneurlax[m]> :( [2019-04-06 12:31:01] sgp_: yes [2019-04-06 12:31:06] I'll make a Wire group and add sneurlax[m], ajsxmr, and midipoet for AV stuff [2019-04-06 12:31:12] then there is also all the post production [2019-04-06 12:31:13] we can get that underway [2019-04-06 12:31:14] sgp: Do you think the CFP board should reserve one hour each day for transaction practice? [2019-04-06 12:31:34] Who is the CFP board? [2019-04-06 12:31:37] i can also do music for intervals. i have a digital dj set up [2019-04-06 12:31:39] not a problem [2019-04-06 12:31:42] midipoet: I would need help setting up and making a AV wishlist [2019-04-06 12:31:44] will even do requests ;-) [2019-04-06 12:31:51] not for needmoney90 though [2019-04-06 12:32:03] sneurlax[m]: can DJ in between too [2019-04-06 12:32:11] I also have some DJ skills [2019-04-06 12:32:12] dj battle [2019-04-06 12:32:13] I still got some AV stuff from last year [2019-04-06 12:32:17] let's get a controller while we're at it [2019-04-06 12:32:23] i have one [2019-04-06 12:32:24] I have a Traktor Kontrol S4 I can lend [2019-04-06 12:32:30] look at you guys [2019-04-06 12:32:31] Aw [2019-04-06 12:32:34] thats better than mine [2019-04-06 12:32:40] but mine is smaller [2019-04-06 12:32:50] Dude, let's get that controller to Vegas. [2019-04-06 12:32:54] Yeah, smaller is probably better [2019-04-06 12:32:57] Heck, maybe we'll like it so much we'll cancel all of our talks [2019-04-06 12:33:03] and just have a chill room space [2019-04-06 12:33:06] msvb-mob: I still lean ad-hoc on this. In my mind, we should have someone by the entrance offering to send/receive XMR for test and do it individually while talking to them. But I think this is getting a little specific for this meeting [2019-04-06 12:33:24] but anyway, video and audio recording is actually more of the pain [2019-04-06 12:33:37] I used to DJ back in the 90s... I'm down for a battle midipoet :) [2019-04-06 12:33:37] yes, the recording will definitely be a bit annoying, but not impossible [2019-04-06 12:33:39] ajsxmr: yes we can dovetail on what is needed [2019-04-06 12:33:53] i dont trust any americans music taste. i have to admit. [2019-04-06 12:34:03] we'll need several external drives that are many TB each [2019-04-06 12:34:04] <sgp> Set up a Taiga wiki page on recording and we can compare methods, find missing hardware, etc [2019-04-06 12:34:09] Ideally music has little to no lyrics [2019-04-06 12:34:11] rehrar: yes [2019-04-06 12:34:11] Midipoet: let's PM after this [2019-04-06 12:34:35] But, if we get the hardware stuff, I don't think it's too impossible to haev. [2019-04-06 12:34:38] As little subliminal mind control as possible [2019-04-06 12:34:43] We'll need a volunteer to run the camera though [2019-04-06 12:34:55] Xeagu: you can't go wrong with latin pop [2019-04-06 12:35:01] I'll beat box in between sets too [2019-04-06 12:35:02] <sneurlax> cough the Matrix bridge doesn't work, ha [2019-04-06 12:35:19] guys, I think the biggest thing [2019-04-06 12:35:23] is that we're all pretty excited for this [2019-04-06 12:35:27] rehrar: is the best entertainment fosho [2019-04-06 12:35:45] I'm happy to see you all again. Looking forward to it. [2019-04-06 12:35:54] binaryFate especially <3 [2019-04-06 12:36:01] did I type that out loud? [2019-04-06 12:36:09] Awkward [2019-04-06 12:36:37] #monero-defcon is relayed via Mattermost too, correct? [2019-04-06 12:36:50] Are there any other issues from last year that folk feel haven't been mentioned? [2019-04-06 12:37:06] Who is making the promotional flier? [2019-04-06 12:37:19] Xeagu: is [2019-04-06 12:37:21] :D [2019-04-06 12:37:48] I think we need to give a little more effort to the "intro process." Getting people in the door, welcoming them, answering questions, etc. We did well here, but I think we need to better design the room around this flow [2019-04-06 12:37:51] too soon? [2019-04-06 12:37:59] sgp_: I was thinking abotu that [2019-04-06 12:38:10] <sneurlax> I'm not going to be selling badges on the side this year... Big mistake [2019-04-06 12:38:12] * bearretinjapan → ferretinjapan [2019-04-06 12:38:15] if we can't have a table out there, we can definitely have some people out there with monero shirts holding flier and ushering people in [2019-04-06 12:38:16] I'm trying to imagine from a newcomers perspective [2019-04-06 12:38:31] They show up to defcon, never heard of Monero and bam [2019-04-06 12:38:51] Why should they care what Monero is? [2019-04-06 12:39:05] OH! Question to everyone. It's kind of a medium sized deal, so be sure to answer [2019-04-06 12:39:08] They could go hack a car or an election or something [2019-04-06 12:39:09] We need more handouts, more swag, etc. That's the big takeway from our village for >90% of people [2019-04-06 12:39:32] At C3, one of the people we shared a space with was Jeremy Rand from NameCoin. He was awesome, very pro Monero, and very intelligent. [2019-04-06 12:39:41] rehrar sgp_: Welcome people in the village and promotors on foot ouside the village would be very effective. [2019-04-06 12:39:42] He has expressed an interest in joining us if we'd have him. [2019-04-06 12:39:46] Interactivity is very important and what will keep them there and engaged [2019-04-06 12:39:57] Xeagu: I agree [2019-04-06 12:40:08] I think he would be a huge asset to our village, and I'd like to invite him to join us. [2019-04-06 12:40:18] serious convo needs to be had about how to address the noise [2019-04-06 12:40:24] It would still be a Monero village, of course, but Jeremy and NameCoin could be invited guests [2019-04-06 12:40:25] midipoet: yes, certainly [2019-04-06 12:40:29] a curtain sectioning off a room wont cut it [2019-04-06 12:40:44] it's hard to address the noise when we don't know what kind of room we're going to get [2019-04-06 12:40:52] its going to be square [2019-04-06 12:40:53] rehrar: I don't see why not [2019-04-06 12:40:55] with doors [2019-04-06 12:41:00] and a high ceiling [2019-04-06 12:41:03] i promise [2019-04-06 12:41:16] all of which is not conducive to noise control [2019-04-06 12:41:19] If we want a empty project with the same configuration there is now: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-defcon-vegas/ [2019-04-06 12:41:19] The important thing to note is that the privacy village I think had almost 2x the space we did and thus had that flexibility [2019-04-06 12:41:44] xmrscott: this is what I'm saying [2019-04-06 12:41:46] Yeah how big is the room [2019-04-06 12:41:46] binaryFate: If you want to make a ambience task there you can do so. [2019-04-06 12:41:48] afair, they just had panels at the back of the room [2019-04-06 12:41:56] sectioning off the room, while not a perfect plan, can be helpful [2019-04-06 12:42:08] Xeagu: The room is about 125% as large as last year. That is a very rough estimate. The cieling is lower. [2019-04-06 12:42:35] <Xeagu> Okay. Can we move stage placement or no? [2019-04-06 12:42:45] honestly, what would really really help is better AV, and more speakers. [2019-04-06 12:43:01] rehrar: We may have windows this time, with a nice view to the street. Do you think we can use this as an advantage? [2019-04-06 12:43:09] if we ahd speakers at a couple other key places in the room, it would help everyone be in a box of sound for the speeches [2019-04-06 12:43:22] msvb-mob: let me think about this. I'm sure we can, yes [2019-04-06 12:43:40] let me explain what I mean about the speakers [2019-04-06 12:43:58] if we take half of the room for talks, and the other half for tables, the half that is four talks can have four speakers, one in each corner [2019-04-06 12:44:08] so the people in the back have just as much volume as the people in front [2019-04-06 12:44:15] we had four speakers [2019-04-06 12:44:24] the talk section is now boxed in sound, and if we curtain it off, it would help further [2019-04-06 12:44:27] they werent big enough for the room [2019-04-06 12:44:34] midipoet: then we get bigger speakers [2019-04-06 12:44:35] especially with the ambient noise [2019-04-06 12:44:56] unless people have some great technology, I'm not sure how much can be done to limit ambient noise [2019-04-06 12:44:59] yes, but if you have bigger speakers, it means people in the chill room talk louder [2019-04-06 12:45:16] and yes, curtains would help [2019-04-06 12:45:19] it would be a mistake to just turn the room into a talk room when there are speakers [2019-04-06 12:45:29] and just a chill room when there aren't [2019-04-06 12:45:33] Could we distribute a bunch of Monero cheapish headphones and project speaker audio through a phone app? [2019-04-06 12:45:35] i am maybe suggetsing scheduling things differently [2019-04-06 12:45:41] midipoet: elabroate [2019-04-06 12:45:48] talks from 10-1 [2019-04-06 12:45:51] chill from 1-4 [2019-04-06 12:45:53] or elaborate, whichever you prefer [2019-04-06 12:45:55] or something like that [2019-04-06 12:46:07] so from 10-1 no chilling allowed? [2019-04-06 12:46:08] we can then have two room "modes" [2019-04-06 12:46:19] with maybe a closing speech each day [2019-04-06 12:46:28] which is a bit more chilled out/interactive [2019-04-06 12:46:47] xeagu is going to dress up as noise police from 10-1 [2019-04-06 12:46:57] Lmao [2019-04-06 12:47:08] rehrar: its just an idea [2019-04-06 12:47:13] Ok, I gotta split, but this is a good start I think. On a lot of levels. [2019-04-06 12:47:16] I'll read logs later. [2019-04-06 12:47:29] Very excited for Defcon. Very excited to chill with you guys. [2019-04-06 12:47:31] Last thing I want to see. [2019-04-06 12:47:47] I want us to seriously consider staying a day or so after, or coming a day or so before. Maybe even a couple of days. [2019-04-06 12:47:51] If anyone can afford it. [2019-04-06 12:47:59] I think that's a great idea [2019-04-06 12:47:59] So we can chill and have fun. [2019-04-06 12:48:14] Important for community bonding and cohesion [2019-04-06 12:48:17] I agree, we need more "discussion time" [2019-04-06 12:48:29] <Xeagu> In person =/= online [2019-04-06 12:48:29] Hanging with Monero people is definitely the highlight of these things for me, even with how fun the conference is [2019-04-06 12:48:55] if Vegas is too expensive (which I understand) then perhaps we can meet elsewhere and fly there together, or off strip [2019-04-06 12:49:04] anyways, just an idea [2019-04-06 12:49:06] and dEBRUYNE should come [2019-04-06 12:49:27] i would like to have this time at konferenco as we are all there. but only xmrscott and i have said we are available [2019-04-06 12:49:44] the fact of the matter is more people will be coming to Defcon [2019-04-06 12:49:47] I'll stay a day or two if people stay around [2019-04-06 12:49:54] agree that's the best :) [2019-04-06 12:50:28] k, cya peeps [2019-04-06 12:50:39] Bye scrub [2019-04-06 12:50:49] So, since we have 10 minutes left, what went really well last year? [2019-04-06 12:51:27] the party, until 1am [2019-04-06 12:51:36] Was gonna also say the party [2019-04-06 12:51:45] The showcase area, but we need to avoid calling it vendor tables. [2019-04-06 12:51:53] Vegas isn't expensive, you just didn't gamble enough to come out positive [2019-04-06 12:52:02] Lmao [2019-04-06 12:52:23] That the village had a few children was very good as well. [2019-04-06 12:52:29] binaryfate at Roulette [2019-04-06 12:53:00] Can we have fake gambling as an activity in the event? [2019-04-06 12:53:20] binaryfate being called out as a blackjack n00b lol [2019-04-06 12:53:21] Download a Monero wallet and get some fake tokens [2019-04-06 12:53:36] And robbing you all at poker :P [2019-04-06 12:53:44] Maybe win a real prize inside [2019-04-06 12:53:44] you you did that :/ [2019-04-06 12:53:47] oh i forgot the poker [2019-04-06 12:53:56] binaryFate calling out the fake Chmpagne [2019-04-06 12:53:58] Xeagu: It's likely that gambling is something we can do if we don't advertise, in the gray area. [2019-04-06 12:54:00] *champagne [2019-04-06 12:54:08] We had a lot of chips and playing cards last year. [2019-04-06 12:54:09] Champaign [2019-04-06 12:54:09] lmao ^^^ [2019-04-06 12:54:13] k no comment on this one thank you [2019-04-06 12:54:33] Yeah its not really gambling because we aren't accepting any money. They pay for tickets with time and using Monero [2019-04-06 12:55:04] msvb-mob: it doesn't need to be an official Defcon thing, just something we agree we're going to do and better plan ahead of time [2019-04-06 12:55:14] Alright, and the last major item is the AMA on r/defcon circa May 1st that we were asked by grifter(?) to have [2019-04-06 12:55:23] <Xeagu> Oooooh Monero Card Deck [2019-04-06 12:55:26] Swag idea [2019-04-06 12:55:27] Would anyone here be interested in doing that ? [2019-04-06 12:55:45] xmrscott: what time is it again? [2019-04-06 12:55:54] msvb-mob: ^ [2019-04-06 12:55:57] Red Ace of Ponies [2019-04-06 12:56:32] xmrscott: I'm interested but will be travelling so it's 50% that I can participate in that. [2019-04-06 12:56:52] msvb-mob: Do you know the specific time on May 1st? [2019-04-06 12:56:57] I can participate as long as it's not early in the morning Central [2019-04-06 12:57:21] xmrscott: I know nothing, there is no documentation except for chat phrases that Powercycle wrote. [2019-04-06 12:57:25] I can participate in that [2019-04-06 12:58:22] Alright so maybes: myself, msvb-mob, sgp_, for sures: xeagu [2019-04-06 12:58:37] I'll follow up with pwrcycle today and get an exact time [2019-04-06 12:58:52] Cool I set a reminder [2019-04-06 12:58:53] I'm free after 10 CT [2019-04-06 12:58:59] I have to go, bye everyone thanks for meeting [2019-04-06 12:59:06] Bye! [2019-04-06 12:59:07] Yep, next meeting is in two weeks [2019-04-06 12:59:12] same time, 17 UTC [2019-04-06 12:59:12] Cool [2019-04-06 12:59:32] msvb-mob: who is on the CFP board? [2019-04-06 12:59:58] sgp_: A CFP board doesn't exist yet for this year, until people volunteer. [2019-04-06 13:00:06] ajsxmr: i will remind rehrar to make a AV group on Wire [2019-04-06 13:00:11] The same structure (Mailinglist) from last year exists, so maybe we should reuse it? [2019-04-06 13:00:22] A last minute announcement is that there is a Defcon in China as well, first time (1.0) this year in Beijing. And we're obviously invited, but there is no Monero branded village. [2019-04-06 13:00:57] Oh wow [2019-04-06 13:01:04] When is that one in China? [2019-04-06 13:01:22] DC CN 1.0 is 31 May to 02 June. [2019-04-06 13:01:36] Oooh [2019-04-06 13:01:39] Hmm [2019-04-06 13:01:41] <sgp> msvb-mob: do we need to have such a formal process? In my mind, it makes sense that we can openly discuss speakers and slots, and people don't vote on their own suggested speeches [2019-04-06 13:02:04] oh one other thing we did REALLY well: presence in the pamphlet. Let's have all our events in there again next year [2019-04-06 13:02:16] If I went to the China one, I might be able to bring a Chinese speaking friend [2019-04-06 13:02:16] sgp: If CFP submissions are public and there is open discussion, it needs to be clear to the submitters of course. [2019-04-06 13:02:29] Oooh [2019-04-06 13:02:35] A schedule for speakers [2019-04-06 13:02:39] Is very important [2019-04-06 13:02:42] Something to handout [2019-04-06 13:03:13] <sgp> msvb-mob: I felt last year's process to be a little off [2019-04-06 13:03:29] I was always struggling to figure out who was speaking when [2019-04-06 13:03:38] I know last year was a little different since we shared the space [2019-04-06 13:03:42] There's an app but I was on a burner phone and it was such a hassle to use [2019-04-06 13:03:48] sgp: Do you want to make this year's CFP process? It can be public if you like. [2019-04-06 13:04:41] <sgp> msvb-mob: I think it makes sense to have an open call where we just talk about the submissions and place them on a calendar. It doesn't need to be recorded [2019-04-06 13:05:00] I know parasew[m] has some event planning tools, so he may have an opinion [2019-04-06 13:05:26] <parasew[m]> hey guys sorry only half here in the chat, as i am working [2019-04-06 13:05:29] It may also be worthwhile consulting with another village like CryptoPrivacy to see how they do things [2019-04-06 13:05:58] Xeagu_: a handout sheet in some capacity like that is useful [2019-04-06 13:06:11] <sgp> C3 had handouts for wallets to download which I think we should definitely have [2019-04-06 13:06:51] Could have the speaker list/schedule on the back of a flier that gives more info about Monero [2019-04-06 13:06:51] sgp: If you use a planning tool please do it differently than the last Google forms one. That was difficult to manage. [2019-04-06 13:06:55] <parasew[m]> yea we coult print handouts in vienna [2019-04-06 13:07:19] <sgp> ooooh, MAGIC can have a 50/50 raffle if others are ok with it, accepting Monero donations [2019-04-06 13:07:22] sgp: Consider Papercall.io, Typeform, Airhead, or Zoho docs. [2019-04-06 13:07:32] <sgp> msvb-mob: let me think about it a bit and take a look at those [2019-04-06 13:07:52] it just felt like a black hole of planning last year to me [2019-04-06 13:07:56] sgp: Or Eventyay. [2019-04-06 13:08:36] <sgp> parasew[m]: will frab work out? I want to test it some more [2019-04-06 13:08:57] msvb-mob: can we cheat by putting these in the hallway? https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Time-Roll-a-table-Table-Roll-A-Table-x/dp/B0018Q4UP6 [2019-04-06 13:09:18] <parasew[m]> sgp: yes i can make you an admin account so you can test it out [2019-04-06 13:10:50] sgp: Our new room has less hallway space, but in general anything changing our floor plan after the fire marshall reviews it is a reason to cancel our invitation for the next year. [2019-04-06 13:11:48] sgp: Using space outside the room is the same as hanging things from the walls, no longer in the gray area. [2019-04-06 13:12:57] sgp: Maybe rehrar's space division idea will solve the problem we're trying to solve by using the hallway? [2019-04-06 13:13:40] msvb-mob: yes, we will need to look a lot into noise isolation [2019-04-06 13:17:36] sgp: It's a nasty pirate solution to the problem, but if a village like VX Chipoff, Drone, or Laser doesn't appear this time, maybe we can confiscate their room? [2019-04-06 13:18:03] It would be very far away however from our main area, so that just solves one problem and adds a different one. [2019-04-06 13:18:03] <sgp> Yeah, we can just make that area a hangout [2019-04-06 13:18:54] I think Taiga is not working correctly. People are signing up for the project but emails are not sent, and member area doesn't reflect the new signup request. [2019-04-06 13:19:57] parasew[m] sgp: Frab would be a great improvement, are you testing it now? [2019-04-06 13:20:59] <parasew[m]> we used frab for c3; i can be in touch after the meeting via mail or on irc, just cant follow now :) [2019-04-06 13:28:38] ⇐ el00ruobuob quit (~el00ruobu@blabour.fr): Ping timeout: 250 seconds [2019-04-06 13:28:45] parasew[m]: If sgp likes the idea, then please create a frab for us and track the task on Taiga if you like. [2019-04-06 13:29:01] Remember that we'll have a much better website this time, so the frab can be linked there.

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