[MU4 Issue] "Up/Down arpeggio straight" should be "Up/Down strum arrow"

[rgreen5]

Describe the issue

For the guitar, the arrows labelled "Up/Down arpeggio straight" (Arpeggios & glissandi palette) are used to indicate the direction of strum and should be called "Up/Down strum arrow" instead.

Also, the "spread delay" is likely to be close to zero, so perhaps the playback should be off as well.

[Jojo-Schmitz]

They may be used for that purpose, but not exclusively as far as I can tell?

[rgreen5]

My case for relabelling is that there are as yet no symbols in the palettes with "strum" in the label, and guitarists are likely to use this as a search term.

And there are quite a few examples on the internet of arrows used to indicate strums/brushes (rather than arpeggios), e.g.

(https://theacousticguitarist.com/how-to-read-strumming-patterns-for-guitar/)

[Jojo-Schmitz]

I don't question that these are used as strums, ocasionally, just that this is their only or even most common use

[MarcSabatella]

Strums by definition are arpeggios - the notes are played one at a time rather than all at once as they would be if you plucked the strings simultaneously. Not that plucking six strings simultaneously is physically possible, of course.

[Tantacrul]

@oktophonie ? Are these using the 'Strum' symbols (eg: U+E846 guitarStrumUp) ?

What's your hot take?

[Jojo-Schmitz]

No, they use an up/down arrow and a straight line.

[oktophonie]

My thoroughly lukewarm take is: the items we use are (as Jojo says) a straight line with an arrowhead (and not even the arrowheads that SMuFL gives us as guitarStrumUp and guitarStrumDown, I think, which are presumably meant to be attached to the end of a line).

Off the top of my head I can't think what else these items would commonly be used for except to indicate strums. I agree with @rgreen5 that having 'strum' in their name would make them easy to search for, given this common use (especially given that they probably are best remaining situated in the Arpeggios palette rather than moving to Guitar; I've seen them used for harp or even violin pizz. This also means that a user wishing to use them for a 'normal' arpeggio, as a stylistic choice, will not need to hunt for them).

[Tantacrul]

I can think of two ways of squaring this circle:

1. Give them a name like Strum Up (arpeggio)
2. Have the same elements in both the Arpeggio and Guitar palettes. For me, this is one of the advantages of our system. There's no need to only have one of everything - and in practice we rarely ever need to do it. I think there are only 3 or 4 other examples where we've kept elements in two places after we reviewed the existing list

[Jojo-Schmitz]

My vote goes to option 2.

And actually the Guitar palette's versions with a different "spread delay" (much shorter than the standard Arpeggios palette ones).