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Bring back "Mute", "Pizz." and other mixer tracks #20810

Open Fristover opened 11 months ago

Fristover commented 11 months ago

Your idea

Please bring back the extra mixer tracks that brass (normal, muted) and string instruments (arco, pizz, not so sure about tremolo) used to have back in MU3.

Problem to be solved

Sometimes, you might want to balance out muted brass or pizz. strings because they're too loud/quiet compared to the rest of instruments (or their real counterparts). Back in MU3 you could change those volumes independently of whatever the master volume of each instrument is, which was pretty handy. Now, that feature has been removed from MU4, the only way I can achieve a better volume control is by adding some weird instrument changes to create those extra tracks. :(

Prior art

I've found the same issue on sibelius, they haven't really done anything about it from what I know, so I have to do the same instrument change workaround as MU4.

Not aware of how the situation is on the rest of programs.

Additional context

This also would solve the inability to select sounds from a VST/Soundfont and assign them to the Pizz., Tremolo, Mute and Arco playing techniques like in MU3.

DaddyLudwig commented 11 months ago

It would definitely be nice to have a way to balance pizz. in the mixer. But, you don't have to use instrument changes to balance pizz with other instruments either. I've been able to do it by just setting the pizz. notes to mf or f depending on the dynamic in the rest of it, and then making that invisible and adding staff or expression text to make it look like it's marked p but still be heard. With the caveat that the first note of the pizz is much louder than the rest. Example of such a thing in a Beethoven score where I set the pizz passage to mf so that it would be heard against woodwinds and arco low strings at a piano dynamic. And then I set it back to piano before the change to arco so that it wouldn't sound too loud(that and Beethoven marked it there).

https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/assets/6530761/5ae401e4-a5a8-46e3-817a-d73e27e692e4

Fristover commented 11 months ago

Well, that doesn't quite work with the Muse Brass mutes (way too quiet no matter what) and some third party soundfonts/VST where pizz. or mute dynamic changes are too drastic, without a "sweet point" where it sounds nice.