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Edit 'lung neuroendocrine cell' #2117

Closed ghost closed 1 year ago

ghost commented 1 year ago

Inspired by #2081.

After reviewing the Cell Guide "Experimental Description" for 'lung neuroendocrine cell' and finding cross-references to validate aspects of the description, the following edits are proposed:

CL:1000223 ‘lung neuroendocrine cell’

dosumis commented 1 year ago

chemoreceptor cell: "A cell specialized to detect chemical substances and relay that information centrally in the nervous system." Equivalent to: neuron and capable of some detection of chemical stimulus involved in sensory perception

Is there evidence that lung neuroendocrine cells relay chemosensory info to the nervous system / function in sensory perception? If not, the classification is not correct.

chemosensory is also very general. Better to record something more specific about function

I suggest

subClassof: detection of hypoxia (http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/GO_0070483)

ghost commented 1 year ago

chemoreceptor cell: "A cell specialized to detect chemical substances and relay that information centrally in the nervous system." Equivalent to: neuron and capable of some detection of chemical stimulus involved in sensory perception

Is there evidence that lung neuroendocrine cells relay chemosensory info to the nervous system / function in sensory perception? If not, the classification is not correct.

Thanks for the review. PMID:33355253 provides evidence to align with the text definition of 'chemoreceptor cell':

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The same reference states: "[pulmonary neuroendocrine cells] can detect hypoxic conditions through chemoreception".

CL also (possibly controversially) defines neuroendocrine cells as neurons, so that is aligned with the logical definition of 'chemoreceptor cell'.

Thank you for the GO term suggestion.

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dosumis commented 1 year ago

The text def should include information about the interaction of these cells with sensory (and other) nerve terminals and should be explicit about their sensory role.

(Notes - more minor issues:

• This is a good example of why standard citation practice in defs is a good thing - it would point me and anyone else directly to the relevant paper supporting specific assertions,. Will get more important if the number of refs increases.)

dosumis commented 1 year ago

Could also add:

subClassOf: has_part some 'dense core granule' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/GO_0031045

ghost commented 1 year ago

The text def should include information about the interaction of these cells with sensory (and other) nerve terminals and should be explicit about their sensory role.

What is your proposed revision to make this a necessary and sufficient text definition?

(Notes - more minor issues:

• This is a good example of why standard citation practice in defs is a good thing - it would point me and anyone else directly to the relevant paper supporting specific assertions,. Will get more important if the number of refs increases.)

This point was discussed multiple times already in CL/EBI meetings and voted against. Currently CL text definitions are not intended to be discursive descriptions and should therefore not require a high number of cross-references. Feel free to add to a future CL meeting agenda for further discussion.

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aleixpuigb commented 1 year ago

remove SubClass Of 'chemoreceptor cell'

I agree with @bvarner-ebi to maintain SubclassOf 'chemoreceptor cell', or at least add'part of' some 'sensory system' (see https://doi.org/10.7554/eLife.78216). image

dosumis commented 1 year ago

I am now convinced that there is enough evidence to assert the sensory role

What is your proposed revision to make this a necessary and sufficient text definition?

My point is that a sensory role should be clear to anyone reading the text def. It is currently not 'detecting enrvironmental stimuli != role in sensory perception. Mentioning connection to afferent and efferent nerve fibers makes potential sensory and effector (neuroendocrine) roles much clearer. How about:

"A neuroendocrine cell that is part of respiratory epithelium of the lung and is involved in the sensory detection of environmental stimuli, including hypoxic conditions.. Ultrastructurally, this cell type is characterized by the presence of cytoplasmic dense core secretory granules. Lung neuroendocrine cells are associated with both afferent and efferent nerve terminals. They appear as solitary cells or as clustered masses, localized at airway bifurcation sites, called neuroepithelial bodies that can release serotonin in response to hypoxia. The lung neuroendocrine cell type is also reported to have stem cell properties."

I'm also not keen on the last sentence. We should avoid terms like 'reported' in defs and 'stem cell properties' is vague. If the evidence is strong enough we should have a clear assertion of properties, e.g. stating that these cells are capable of acting as stem cells or giving rise to stem cells. Otherwise, this is better relegated to a comment.

ghost commented 1 year ago

I'm also not keen on the last sentence. general we should avoid terms like 'reported' in defs and 'stem cell properties' is vague. If they evidence is strong enough, it should be stated that they are capable of acting as stem cells or giving rise to stem cells? Otherwise, this is better relegated to a comment.

Thank you for the suggested revision.

Agreed on last sentence. Will change to: "Lung neuroendocrine cells also function as reserve stem cells that repair the surrounding epithelium after injury." doi:10.7554/eLife.78216

"Lung neuroendocrine cells are associated with both afferent and efferent nerve terminals."

If you would like this sentence added, please provide a reference that asserts this for both solitary cells as well as those in the neuroepithelial bodies. In my review, I've only read about the efferent connections in the neuroepithelial bodies.

My point is that a sensory role should be clear to anyone reading the text def. It is currently not 'detecting enrvironmental stimuli != role in sensory perception. Mentioning connection to afferent and efferent nerve fibers makes potential sensory and effector (neuroendocrine) roles much clearer.

Can you give an example in animals where detecting an environmental stimulus does not involve sensory perception?

ghost commented 1 year ago

Thank you for the feedback, @dosumis. Hopefully the revised text definition reflects your suggestions.