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✨ Feature Suggestion | Dedicated alternative front-end section for web services #1402

Open 2secslater opened 5 years ago

2secslater commented 5 years ago

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I think more people need to know that this stuff exists, and that there are projects such as Invidious (front-end for YouTube) and nitter (front-end for Twitter) which allow you to access these services, without connecting directly to the main site (Twitter and Google/YouTube in this example).

The reason I think people need to know about this is because it is hard to use most services without using their non-free JavaScript code, which could include sending telemetry home among other things, and with these front-ends you can use the instances as proxies for accessing Twitter or YouTube content without letting Twitter or Google know who you are.

Furthermore, I think that the more people who know about this, the more people who want to make more projects of the same category, further helping people access services while knowing that the centralised site doesn't know who they are. This further helps out the community in remaining anonymity online with less compromise.

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

Do you think it should definitely be alternative front-end section (I wonder if there is any better term for it) or would listing them in the relevant sections (such as Invidious in Video streaming (https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/1252) and Nitter in social media) be sufficient?

2secslater commented 5 years ago

At first I thought that they should at least be mentioned, for example, in the "Worth Mentioning" section below the sections you've referenced. I can see convenience with a dedicated section alternative front-ends, as it helps people quickly find a decent method of further protecting privacy while still accessing the content they want.

Anyone else want to share thoughts on this?

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

I guess a dedicated section would be a good idea, maybe under Providers and then the sections could tell people to check it also

2secslater commented 5 years ago

Sounds like a decent idea

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

Assigning myself so I may remember it sometime when I have time and look at assigned issues. Please feel free to send a PR etc.

In other news, our forum has a report of Google having started blocking Invidious instances and there we have at least one person who didn't previously know what Invidious is, which I guess confirms your point.

Edu4rdSHL commented 5 years ago

In my opinion, that kind of sites shouldn't be added since that they are infringing legal things. We can easily see how Youtube is banning invidious IP addresses, Google searx addresses and more.

At least if privacytools want to be into a legal ambit they shouldn't be added.

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

I haven't heard this argument before. Which legal things are they infringing?

Also is linking to the tools for privacy illegal? Are we already infringing by recommending tools like µBlock Origin?

djoate commented 5 years ago

For what it's worth, the creator of Invidious, Omar Roth, had his Pateron account suspended for claimed infringement: https://omar.yt/posts/suspended-patreon

Mikaela commented 5 years ago

@privacytoolsIO/editorial and mainly @JonahAragon, are we worried about Google/someone (a payment processor?) taking stance against us if we list Invidious?

jonaharagon commented 5 years ago

Definitely not. Google can do whatever they want.

Mikaela commented 4 years ago

Bibliogram An alternative front-end for Instagram. Bibliogram works without client-side JavaScript, has no ads or tracking, and doesn't urge you to sign up.

https://github.com/cloudrac3r/bibliogram/

https://bibliogram.snopyta.org/u/instagram

lrq3000 commented 4 years ago

I think it would be nice to add these alternative front-ends as Worth Mentioning, similarly to Invidious in Video Streaming in #1974. I suggest this approach because it would make the alternative front-ends appear close to the domain they pertain to, and because there are only a handful of such front-ends for now.

But if in the future there are many alternative front-ends, a dedicated section may be preferable, as although these front-ends are interesting and better than using the original front-ends privacy-wise, their privacy stays suboptimal compared to alternative platforms based on an opensource software.

jonaharagon commented 4 years ago

@lrq3000 We are removing "worth mentioning" from the site entirely, eventually: A tool is either good to recommend entirely, or irrelevant IMO.

We can accept a PR for Nitter and Bibliogram in a new "Frontends and Proxies" section below the "Decentralized Social Networks" section on the social networks page. See https://deploy-preview-1974--privacytools-io.netlify.app/providers/video/#proxies for a reference of what this should look like. 👍

spikecodes commented 3 years ago

We can accept a PR for Nitter and Bibliogram in a new "Frontends and Proxies" section below the "Decentralized Social Networks" section on the social networks page. See https://deploy-preview-1974--privacytools-io.netlify.app/providers/video/#proxies for a reference of what this should look like. +1

I've opened a dedicated issue for this: #2175.