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[Discussion] Does rsocket plan to be supported by cloud native components? #321

Open kevinten10 opened 3 years ago

kevinten10 commented 3 years ago

I like rsocket very much!

But now the cloud native specification only supports http and grpc

For example, projects like dapr do not support rsocket

I want to know how the rsocket community views grpc and the cloud-native ecology? Does rsocket have plans to become a protocol supported by cloud-native components?

Looking forward to your reply.

linux-china commented 3 years ago

Let me clear it in Chinese, and of course it's my opinion only.

任何新的创新和协议，都是不可能马上被很多人和社区接受的，CNCF现在只支持HTTP和gRPC，当然我们都知道，K8S是Google主导的的，gRPC也是Google主导的，所以gRPC被支持的更多，如果以CNCF为依据的话，那其他协议都不要发展啦，世面上只能有HTTP和gRPC。

RSocket架构不建议采用Sidecar架构，首先gRPC多语言支持，当然Dapr说的以sidecar方式解决多语言接入问题，其实就是gRPC在发挥作用。 多语言接入这个RSocket也支持，主流语言基本都能接入到RSocket上，没有多语言接入的问题。 另外RSocket更建议采用Broker的架构，more Egress less Ingress ，这样安全更好，通讯更透明，而且还不需要传统的服务注册那些基础服务，个人不觉得你不使用Sidecar，你就不是Cloud Native。

另外在K8S中使用RSocket也非常简单，你helm安装一下RSocket Broker，然后就是标准的开发方式 https://artifacthub.io/packages/helm/alibaba-rsocket-broker/alibaba-rsocket-broker 注明一下： 我是Alibaba RSocket Broker开发者，利益关联方。

当然你对RSocket已经有非常好的了解啦，应该不会再有这个困扰，可能就是问你的人太多啦 :)

最后声明： Java程序员，做过半年Istio + Envoy的Service Mesh，放弃啦。 后来看Dapr，写过几篇Dapr的文章，最后还是放弃啦，还是坚持RSocket的路线。 我不是说Istio， Dapr就不好，技术都有其适用的场景，当然技术的多样性更重要，不然谈何创新，如何能给别人不一样的启发，让别人有一个更多的选择。

yschimke commented 3 years ago

My 2c: it would be nice to have some supported well trodden paths without requiring all systems and frameworks to directly commit to RSocket support. For me it's mostly using Websocket/HTTP as a baseline, then layering RSocket on top and for my specific components I can then add RSocket specific features/monitoring on these well defined chosen stacks.

But pitching RSocket itself to GCP, Azure, AWS seems like a lot of effort before the industry traction is proven. Making it easy to adopt on top of say Websocket in GCP flexible environments has worked for me.

kevinten10 commented 3 years ago

Thank you very much for your reply! It is very helpful to me.

Yes, different technologies have different usage scenarios and cannot be generalized.

I am now working on dapr. I look forward to the future development of rsocket, and I will continue to pay attention.

Thanks.