Silicate Sprayer Feedback

[Kurfursten]

Just general stuff I've run into

• Weirdly much larger than it needs to be. Holds 50 silicate compared to 30 for the toolbelt size extinguisher or 20 for the toolbelt size welder. Moreover, the silicate consumed is extremely small. Fixing a half-damage window only costs .75 silicate, and a window 1-hit away from destruction only costs 1.50 silicate.
• The Adv sprayer holds a staggering 100 silicate and only costs 1 to upgrade a window
• Upgrading a window shows no change in the description or icon. There's no way to know if a window has been upgraded other than trying to destroy it or reinforce it with the sprayer again. Even just an overlay would help with this.
• Not following naming conventions. Needs to be lowercase.

Otherwise, handy.

@PJB3005

[PJB3005]

Not following naming conventions. Needs to be lowercase.

Since when is there a naming convention for lowercase?

[Kurfursten]

What? It's not a proper noun. I'm pretty sure you yourself have told me to change this before.

For example, go open the YouTool and look at the capitalization

[PJB3005]

I put \improper on it though.

[Kurfursten]

It's not lower case in the vendor or when examined.

[PJB3005]

Wait what?

Okay the vendor's obviously making it lowercase.

But I've got no clue as to why examining it turns out as lowercase?

[Kurfursten]

Why are you making a big deal out of this? Just change it to lowercase like every other non-proper noun.

[PJB3005]

There's a ton of things in SS13 that are capitalised and improper though.

The reason I'm making a deal out of it is because IMO it looks better.

[Kurfursten]

Nah, it's not a proper noun. It sticks out like a sore thumb in the YouTool because its capitalization is wrong - it looks bad. Keep a consistent style.

[PJB3005]

Okay at this point we need

[PJB3005]

Okay at this point we need a proper poll or something whether things should be capitalised or not.

[Zth--]

We don't need a poll. This capitalization is simply wrong. You don't add a capital letter to every noun when you type, then why are you trying to put it ingame?

[PJB3005]

There's a lot of things in SS13 already that are capitalised, do you want to change them all?

[Kurfursten]

It would be wonderful if someone would - or even if they would just compile a list of such things. But until then, the best we can do is fix the problems where we find them, like here.

[FudgePucker]

The sprayer isn't that big of an issue balance wise. I still think the big problem that is a big suprise it hasn't been abused yet is the fact that there are now silicate tanks in easy to access areas. Silicate has two componints of thermite, all you need is iron and you can burn holes into secure areas.

Shit I think having tanks of sulf. acid for soldering irons would cause less mayhem.

[Kurfursten]

What's the point of having tanks in the first place if you only have to fill up a sprayer once? I've never filled a sprayer except when it was freshly printed.

You could probably safely remove the tanks from every map, since the only time someone will visit a chemist for a refill is when it's made.

[FudgePucker]

@Kurfursten Or have tanks avaliable from cargo, and one in engineering and have the sprayers start filled.

EDIT: Also there is the factor of people who know the power of the silicate tanks and their level of shit. How many players that know silicate contains aluminum and oxygen would do non antag bullshit like melting into every place? I have only really GRAY TIDE WORLD WIDE'd twice, once where I decided 'well if I have to hack into CEs office to open secure storage, might as well hack into the captians office for all access' and then proceded to make 20 all access IDs, the security officer who caught me just looked in my bag and killed himself, and the one time I was playing botanist and became the queen of the green tide when I gave all the new dioana all access IDs, the HoS uploaded a law to the AI to make me non human.

The fact that every wall on the station hasn't been melted down every round should show that this isn't that big of an issue because shitters can't into ghetto chemistry. Because if this was being abused enough then secure armory would be looted every round from space.

[Kurfursten]

It also may not have happened because it's not possible. Ghetto chemistry uses a white list of reactions to prevent this kind of thing. It's kinda badcode though - mostly done because months ago we didn't really know what the implications of ghettochem would be once it was in game. After the FF ends I'll PR a change to use every reaction datum without an explicit whitelist.

[FudgePucker]

Oh wait so you added every chemical by hand to the list of reactions? Wowzers thats some dedication.

I could always make a bug issue about silicate not being able to be used in ghetto chemistry and then you can always fix the bug :^).

[Probe1]

Everything that was urgent has had its time to be addressed and everything that wasn't I put to you. To either code it or reopen a new issue in 2016 (god nearly 2017).