Inputs to ranges and airspace

132ndNeck commented 3 months ago

Please post discussions about suggestions and inputs for ranges and airspace in this issue

132ndNeck commented 3 months ago

Very rough initial idea to get the ball rolling. Bodø airbase will be the base where 132nd is based.

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CombatFlite file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JpheA6aXCInvRilJXJvk2h3VKX_G0Tnt/view?usp=sharing

Gabykhan commented 3 months ago

In my opinion, it's counter-productive to start a precise layout at this point. We should analyze particular training needs and requests, and then only from this analysis decide how to fullfill them. Also, I would personally like to use as much as possible real life airspace, in particular in order to be able to use real airfield procedures, that require specific airspaces (TMA, CTR, etc...).

As a general concept, I'd go with a Western side of the map dedicated to training events, and let the Eastern part of it basically unoccupied and available for combat events. We could consider, once a main operating base has been chosen, that all basic training facilities should be easily accessible (150 Nm ring). Eg: basic shooting range, basic SAM threat range, basic CAS, BVR, etc... Then at a longer distance we could have some ranges for more advanced training: laser range, OCA vs DCA scenarios, intermediate SAM, anti-surface warfare, MQT, etc... And eventually at longer range we could have specialized advanced training ranges: IADS, low level CAS, admiral ships attack, 2-FLUG and 4-FLUG, etc...

jkhoel commented 3 months ago

Unless we are changing fundamental principles of our training maps, then peace- vs wartime is not a thing. Training maps are always peacetime. The concept of "range rings" to dictate locations I like, but I want to use your argument with regards to airspace against you; I want the ranges to be where they are in real life, so that we can use the same procedures etc. 😄

132ndMagnet commented 3 months ago

Dropping thoughts before I forget them :-)

Instead of establishing defined VFR arrival and departure routes, create VRPs (visual reporting points - real world preferred) on the boundaries of the TMA. This should result in a more flexible arrival and departure situation as at present I think pilots feel that they have to use one of the published VFR departures and therefore are potentially flying out of the TMA in the wrong direction to then route around or over the TMA to get where they wish to go. As an example on the current map, this would allow a pilot to be given the following clearance if Rwy 31R was active, 'VIPER 1, right hand turn out, cleared to leave the TMA via X-Junction, not below 6000ft QNH 3004'.
Real world frequencies for ATC positions
Real world IFR approaches (as far as possible) e.g. ILS Z or LOC Z Rwy 07, VOR Rwy 07, ILS or LOC Rwy 25 (Vector to final should be the default when ATC is online, i.e. not Full Approaches)
Is it practical to have a frequency plan where all aircraft based at the training aerodrome have the Ground, Tower, Radar & Talkdown frequencies in the same preset number, e.g. Ground is preset 2, Tower preset 3 etc? This would enable transfer without reading out the frequency and be more 'military'. e.g. 'VIPER 1, Contact Tower, Preset\Stud 3'.

132ndEvo commented 2 months ago

Hello all. I've made a draft of SID and STARs for ENBO. I would strongly recommend we use this system for a few reasons.

High terrain makes it vital that aircraft follow routes for terrain clearance.
The routes offer both vertical and lateral separation allowing for ops in IMC without a controller.
The routes are designed for an airspace 25 nm around BODO.
The routes are made using real-world way points will allow us to use the real world approach, SID and STAR charts.

take a look and let me know what you think. Thanks https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/euewa6zotgpdmpr19izk0/TRMA-ENBO-SID-STAR-Evo.cf?rlkey=6ivpxi5491uvf14xj9hbcvmqs&st=mdzn4hf3&dl=0

Gabykhan commented 1 month ago

Evo, the FLIP shared on the Real Life data thread has the military departure and recovery procedures. It's perfect for IMC operations. For VMC, we can either try to find the real procedures, or build new ones with easy in game visual references.

132ndEvo commented 1 month ago

The chats shown there are good, but the departures only cater for east and west; there is no north and south option. Also there is no chart for STARs