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Very inaccurate! #164

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ProletarianBanner commented 2 years ago

You have an ideology called "Stalinism/Maoism," I didn't get this, I saw it online. "Stalinism" as an ideology doesn't exist and is merely Marxism-Leninism, also Marxism-Leninism isn't nationalist and it certainly isn't chauvinistic, if you read or listen to Lenin and Stalin you shall see that we favour proletarian internationalism and wish death to chauvinism, racism, and the hatred of nations and races. Also, Marxism-Leninism isn't "totalitarian," such word is a mere lable, also, Marxism-Leninism is highly democratic, all socialism is democratic, capitalism is only democracy for the minority, for the rich, that is not democracy, especially as it serves the interests of a rich minority. Socialist nations not only served the interests of the working class, they had democracy inside and outside the workplace in the form of elections, every citizen regardless of nationality or gender had the equal right to elect and be elected.

"Why will our elections be equal? Because neither differences in regard to property(differences partly existing) nor differences of race and nationality will cause any privileges or disadvantages. Women will enjoy the right to elect and be elected equally with men. Our elections really will be equal." - Joseph Stalin

"And so in capitalist society, we have a democracy that is curtailed, wretched, false, a democracy only for the rich, for the minority." - Vladimir Lenin

"There is no democracy without socialism and no socialism without democracy."

Now some stuff relating to nationalism, chauvinism, and anti-semitism.

"Hence, communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism." - Stalin

"Anti-semitism means spreading enmity to the Jews. When the accursed Tsarist monarchy was living its last days it tried to incite ignorant workers and peasants against the Jews. The Tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organized pogroms against the Jews. The hate of the workers and peasants the landowners and capitalists tried to divert against the Jews. In other countries, too, we often see the capitalists formenting hatred against the Jews in order to blind the workers, to divert their attention from the real enemy of the working people: capital. Hatred towards the Jews persist only in those countries where slavery to the landowners and capitalists has created abysmal ignorance among the workers and peasants. Only the most ignorant and downtrodden people can believe the lies and slander that are spread about the Jews. This is a survival of ancient feudal times, when the priests burned heretics at the stake, when the peasants lived in slavery, and when the people were crushed and inarticulate. This ancient, feudal ignorance is passing away; the eyes of the people are being opened. It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters, and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians and among people of all nations. The capitalists strive to sow and forment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations, and different races. Those who do not work are kept in power by the power and strength of capital. Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. Shame on accursed Tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations. Long live the fraternal trust and fighting alliance of the workers of all nations in the struggle to overthrow capital!" - Lenin

In answer to your inquiry :

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

— J. Stalin, Reply to an inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States

Now some excerpts from the Soviet constitution:

ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life.

The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, pre-maternity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

ARTICLE 123. Equality of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law.

Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

Now:

Lenin on Democracy, taken from The State and Revolution, Chapter 4 and 5 by Vladimir Lenin

Chapter 4

In the usual argument about the state, the mistake is constantly made against which Engels warned and which we have in passing indicated above, namely, it is constantly forgotten that the abolition of the state means also the abolition of democracy; that the withering away of the state means the withering away of democracy.

At first sight, this assertion seems exceedingly strange and incomprehensible; indeed, someone may even suspect us of excepting the advent of a system of society in which the principle of subordination of the minority to the majority will not be observed--for democracy means the recognition of this very principle.

No, democracy is not identical with the subordination of the minority to the majority. Democracy is a state which recognizes the subordination of the minority to the majority, i.e., an organization for the systematic use of force by one class against another, by one section of the population against another.

We set ourselves the ultimate aim of abolishing the state, i.e., all organized and systematic violence, all use of violence against people in general. We do not except the advent of a system of society in which the principle of subordination of the minority to the majority will not be observed. In striving for socialism, however, we are convinced that it will develop into communism and, therefore, that the need for violence against people in general, for the subordination of one man to another, and of one section of the population to another, will vanish altogether, since people will become accustomed to observing the elementary conditions of social life without violence and without subordination.

Chapter 5

Democracy for the vast majority of people, and suppression by force, i.e., exclusion from democracy, of the exploiters and oppressors of the people--this is the change democracy undergoes during the transition from capitalism to communism.

Only in communist society, when the resistance of the capitalists have disappeared, when there are no classes(i.e., when there is no distinction between the members of society as regards their relation to the social means of production), only then "the state... ceases to exist", and "it becomes possible to speak of freedom". Only then will a truly complete democracy become possible and realized, a democracy without any exceptions whatever. And only then will democracy begin to wither away, owing to the simple fact that, freed from capitalist slavery, from the untold horrors, savagery, absurdities, and infamies of capitalist exploitation, people will gradually become accustomed to observing the elementary rules of social intercourse that have been known for centuries and repeated for thousands of years in all copy-book maxims. They will become accustomed to observing them without force, without coercion, without subordination, without the special apparatus for coercion called the state.

Democracy is a form of the state, it represents, on the one hand, the organized systematic use of force against persons; but, on the other hand, it signifies the formal recognition of equality of citizens, the equal right of all to determine the structure of, and to administer, the state. This, in turn, results in the fact that, at a certain stage in the development of democracy, it first welds together the class that wages a revolutionary struggle against capitalism--the proletariat, and enables it to crush, sash to atoms, wipe off the face of the earth the bourgeois, even republican-bourgeois, state machine, the standing army, the police and the bureaucracy and to substitute for them a more democratic state machine, but a state machine nevertheless, in the shape of armed workers who proceed to form a militia involving the entire population.

From the moment all members of society, or at least the vast majority, have learned to administer the state themselves, have taken this work into their own hands, have organized control over the insignificant capitalist minority, over the gentry who wish to preserve their capitalist habits and over the workers who have been thoroughly corrupted by capitalism--from this moment the need for government of any kind begin to disappear altogether. The more complete the democracy, the nearer the moment when it becomes unnecessary. The more democratic the "state" which consists of the armed workers, and which is "no longer a state in the proper sense of the word", the more rapidly every form of state begins to wither away.

For when all have learned to administer and actually to independently administer social production, independently keep accounts and exercise control over the parasites, the sons of the wealthy, the swindlers and other "guardians of capitalist traditions", the escape from this popular accounting and control will inevitably become so incredibly difficult, such a rare exception, and will probably be accompanied by such swift and severe punishment (for the armed workers are practical men and not sentimental intellectuals, and they scarcely allow anyone to trifle with them), that the necessity of observing the simple, fundamental rules of the community will very soon become a habit.

Then the door will be thrown wide open for the transition from the first phase of communist society to its higher phase, and with it to the complete withering away of the state.

Now some more quotes:

"Socialism is the people, if you're afraid of socialism, you're afraid of yourself!" - Fred Hampton

"We do not support people who are anarchistic, opportunistic, adventuristic, and Custeristic." - Fred Hampton

"I am the people, I'm not the pig. You got to make a distinction. And the people are going to have to attack the pigs. The people are going to have to stand up against the pigs. That's what the Panthers is doing, that's what the Panthers are doing all over the world." - Fred Hampton

"Everything would be alright if everything was put back in the hands of the people, and we're going to have to put it back in the hands of the people." - Fred Hampton

"We're going to fight racism not with racism, but we're going to fight with solidarity. We say we're not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we're going to fight it with socialism." - Fred Hampton

"Nothing is more important than stopping fascism, because fascism will stop us all.” - Fred Hampton'

"We ain't gonna fight no reactionary pigs who run up and down the street being reactionary; we're gonna organize and dedicate ourselves to revolutionary political power and teach ourselves the specific needs of resisting the power structure, arm ourselves, and we're gonna fight reactionary pigs with international proletarian revolution." - Fred Hampton

"The Black Panther Party stood up and said that we don't care what anybody says. We don't think fighting fire with fire is best; we think you fight fire with water best." - Fred Hampton

"With no education, you have neocolonialism instead of colonialism, like you've got in Africa now and like you've got in Haiti. So what we're talking about is there has to be an educational program. That's very important." - Fred Hampton

"People have to be armed to have power, you see." - Fred Hampton

TheNonSmoker commented 2 years ago

Thanks for the Ted Talk

ProletarianBanner commented 2 years ago

Thanks for the Ted Talk

That's not at all what it is.

catfromplan9 commented 1 year ago

cool

ProletarianBanner commented 1 year ago

I would say Stalinism is somewhat Nazol-ish, at least, Stalinism as in what Stalin really did.

Stalin wasn't a nationalist. Stalin said that communists as consistent internationalists must be bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. Stalin also wasn't any form of chauvinist or fascist. Stalin in practice was an internationalist fully, he even supported the revolutionary struggles in Korea and China.

ProletarianBanner commented 1 year ago

Oh and he, Stalin, also sent food to Indians who were starving under Churchill.

JustAnotherMoron2 commented 1 year ago

WOW, you are stoopid. Stalin undid everything that Lenin did the moment his body cooled. You are right though, both of them were not nationalistic, because they both wanted to take over the world. Lenin because he foolishly believed he could save the ignorant people from themselves, Stalin because he wanted to rule the world like a king. Oh, and there is zero democracy in Stalinism. And in short: Stalin = Monster

Goodnight!