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"Capitalist Fascism" is generally called "National Capitalism". #36

Closed NukeRusich closed 4 years ago

NukeRusich commented 7 years ago

There's a few other terms for it due to the fact there's a naming conflict between the AltRight and AltLite, but "National Capitalism" is still generally associated to anything that passes as Capitalist Fascism on this quiz (although you'll need to do "National Capitalism (ethnic/AltRight)" and "(civic/AltLite)" or something like that for v2).

LukeStonehm commented 7 years ago

"Capitalist Fascism" what an oxymoron.

Capitalism == voluntary trading of goods/services for goods/services Fascism == forced coercion (often using violence) to a particular set of ideas.

elifoster commented 7 years ago

Luke neither of those are accurate definitions.

Capitalism: Private ownership of the means of production, industry exists to generate capital. Fascism: Authoritarian right wing nationalism, often using racism and anti semitism as a uniting tool.

LukeStonehm commented 7 years ago

@elifoster yes sorry, I agree with both of those definitions.

RE: fascism, I was more referring to authorianism in general, my bad.

My main point was that Capitalism is presupposed upon the principle of voluntary interaction -> a corporation cannot oppress you because you can choose not to do business with them.

This is incompatible with an authorianism system like fascism, hence why I think a term like "Capitalist Fascism" is an oxymoron.

NukeRusich commented 7 years ago

@LukeStonehm I believe you're confusing Capitalism and Libertarianism.

@elifoster What about the suggestion?

TristanBomb commented 7 years ago

In regards to the rename: yeah, that'll probably happen in the ideology rework. The current system was pretty much just cobbled together, and I used whatever names I thought of at the time.

In regards to the "can capitalism be authoritarian" debate: it absolutely can be (though it doesn't have to be - the US is capitalist, but not authoritarian). Historically, there have been many instances of authoritarian capitalist regimes, many supported by the United States in the Cold War, such as Pinochet's Chile or Batista's Cuba. Capitalism isn't voluntary interaction, it's "an economic system and an ideology based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit," according to Wikipedia. Nothing involved there is incompatible with authoritarianism.