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Fixed mistake with National Socialism econ score #87

Closed mkljczk closed 4 years ago

brmbrmcar commented 6 years ago

Not an error

mkljczk commented 6 years ago

@brmbrmcar error might be a bad word, but this wording was used in last commit. I’ll change it in title to ‘mistake’, but that doesn’t seem to be important…

TristanBomb commented 6 years ago

Not a mistake. The Nazis were generally pro-business.

mkljczk commented 6 years ago

They weren’t, they were socialists just because they were extremely populistic. Remember that the fact they were socialists doesn’t imply that every socialist is Nazi etc.…

tryadelion commented 6 years ago

National socialism as per se, given the Italian, German and Spanish regimes policies, promotes a pro-friendly ( and national) business, pro partnership ( area of influence, allies) & trade accompanied with autarchic businesses and projects ( sold or leased to private ownership on demand (Bayer, VW,Opel,Bofors AB...) ) to provide both the public & private sectors with raw materials where external importation was not possible (bakelite vs steel, Synthetic fuel vs petrol, carob vs cocoa, beet vs sugarcane),pretty much along the same lines the New Deal in the United States worked. It did not aim to have a fully public, or even semi public, planned economy, as socialism at that time did, it aimed to create a network of public and private (but "proudly" national) raw material providers to c push forward the arms, construction and technological advances, both public and private. To complete the comment, it did not aim to do what socialism was meant for, to protect the worker class from the exploitation of the burgeoise, and the worker conditions included regimes of slavery or semi-slavery for a concrete sector of the society and many sub sectors ( prisoners of war, gipsies...).

TristanBomb commented 6 years ago

Thanks, Tryadelion, you put my thoughts into words.

Populism and socialism are far from the same thing (otherwise "right-wing populism" would be an oxymoron). Don't be fooled by the fact that Nazi is short for "national socialist" - the Nazis called themselves that as a publicity stunt to attract the left in the Weimar Republic. Names can be misleading, as you can see by the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea," which is not especially democratic. During the Nazis' rise to power, their fiercest opposition was from the KPD (communist party) and SPD (social-democratic party), who were some of the few to vote against the Nazis during the last days of the Weimar democracy, after the conservative republican parties reluctantly gave in. The Nazis were also vehemently anti-socialist, even going so far to pin the Reichstag Fire on the German left and to murder left-wing politicians.

mkljczk commented 6 years ago

Fighting against some particular socialists doesn’t make you anti-socialist, they were anticapitalistic in the same way, so probably 50 seems to be the best on this axis for them… Especially because economics weren’t as important as other stuff for them…

Oqwert commented 4 years ago

The Nazi Party privatized public enterprises and strongly opposed nationalization or collectivization of the means of production, which literally contradicts any definition of socialism. They were also openly anti-Marxist. The only reason they used socialism in the party name was because they wanted the economy to follow their own interests, and achieved so by disallowing control of large private enterprises to those who opposed the interests of the party. Calling National Socialism socialist is like calling the Democratic People's Republic of Korea democratic because it's in its name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties