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Apple Disk Transfer ProDOS (ADTPro)
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Can't Open the ADTPro Application - Plus ... #191

Open For-ADT opened 1 month ago

For-ADT commented 1 month ago

MacOS 10.4.11 & ADTPro 2.0.2. I can (sorta) use the terminal version of ADTPro but not the version behind the floppy disk icon. When I click on it the FD icon it shows briefly in the dock and then closes right away.

I am trying to transfer the binary version of the Apple IIGS ROM to use on the Mac with an emulator. Transferring the ROM from the IIGS I get a .po-suffix result that I can't open on the Mac. Do I need to suffix the file .bin before I transfer it or ... ?

What all am I missing?

david-schmidt commented 4 weeks ago

10.4 is a nice vintage system. :-)

I think we can tackle the Java startup problem next, but first - this isn't the tool you want to use if you have a single file to transfer. It's not like Kermit or Zmodem. You're not transferring files or sets of files... ADTPro transfers whole disk images. So the ROM from a IIgs isn't going to be a .po file, because it's not a disk image. You might have put the ROM contents onto a floppy disk and that's what you want to transfer, but that's not what you described...

For-ADT commented 4 weeks ago

Hi David - Thanks for your response and thanks also for a very interesting application.

Yeah, I had already figured out that I was way out of it trying to transfer the Apple IIGS ROM file. Got in too big a hurry and didn't think it thru'.

Likewise I was going with the idea that the JAVA version that comes with OS 10.4 was what I needed. I have scouted around looking at the required 2.1-7 version and have found I haven't the foggiest idea how to install it. I am Terminal averse but it seems that some intelligent effort will be required and I need much better clarity of what needs to be done and how to do it than I have now. Let's start here.

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

You'll want to get a little more comfortable with the Terminal app - that's where we're going to be doing much of this work, at least at first. The first thing you're going to want to do is bring up a terminal and report what is returned from this command (after which you can close it for the time being): java -version

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Hi David

I had just returned to my ADTPro project - can you tell when someone is skulking around?

java -version returns --> java version "1.5.0_19" <--

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

The rest of the return

Java (TM) 2 Run Time Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_19 b02-306) Java Hotspot (TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_19-138, mixed mode, sharing)

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

For your vintage of machine, you probably want to go back to version 2.0.3: https://github.com/ADTPro/adtpro/releases/tag/v_2_0_3 I believe that will likely work better for you. It doesn't require quite the same high level of Java (which won't exist in your OS combination). I'd remove whatever you've got downloaded or installed for 2.1.0 and give 2.0.3 a try.

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

I started with (and only have installed) ADTPro version 2.0.2. That is the recommended for MacOS 10.4?

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

Ok, great - that should work fine. Let's head back to the terminal, and we need to get into the folder where you unpacked the .dmg. It's likely in your /Applications/ADTPro-2.0.2 folder. So this is what to try in the terminal:

$ cd /Applications/ADTPro-2.0.2
$ ls -la    <== this is just for our own edification
$ ./ADTPro.command

So the output from ls -la will tell us some information about where you're starting from, and the effect of ./ADTPro.command will show us the output of the system as it tries to bring the application up.

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

This is really basic - how does one end a line and start a new one in Terminal?

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

Hit the "return" key - no need for the $, that's the typical prompt that will be presented to you on a new line

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

This is where I'm screwed up. The return key brings the response -bash : $: command not found

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Had an extra $ in the line. Without it the return is -bash: $: No such file or directory

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

Here's what a terminal interaction looks like on my system (with 2.1.0 instead of 2.0.2). The dschmidt$ bits are the prompt - I type after those:

Screenshot 2024-08-27 at 4 15 56 PM
For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

OK. While you were away I psyched out that my Application folder was not being addressed right. Having worked around this to ADTPro-2.0.2/ADTPro.command , Terminal output shows

ADTPro Server version 2.0.2

Experimental: JNI_Onload called

Stable Library

Native lib version = RXTX 2.1-7 Java lib version = RTXT 2.1-7 args length = 0

It also starts up the application, bringing up the window with the connection options

I can't seem to make the other commands work

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

BTW I'm communicating on my regular desktop - the ancient PowerBook with OS 10.4 on it and the communicator to my Apple IIGS sits on a workbench nearby.

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Oops, past my wife's patience limit.

Maybe we can tackle the java mystery tomorrow.

Thanks so much for your time and effort. We will gitter dun!

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

So it looks like you're in good shape as far as kicking off the application goes. Next, you're going to want to figure out what USB-serial adapter your PowerBook has on hand and is able to connect with. You should follow along in the documentation here: https://adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html#USB_cabling

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Good morning David

I have a known-good Keyspan adapter with the proper software and a newly purchased "crossover" serial cable.

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So it looks like you're in good shape as far as kicking off the application goes. Next, you're going to want to figure out what USB-serial adapter your PowerBook has on hand and is able to connect with. You should follow along in the documentation here: https://adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html#USB_cabling

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david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

Great, let us know how you get on with that. Sounds like you're good to go.

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

I don't need to do anything with Java?

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Great, let us know how you get on with that. Sounds like you're good to go.

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david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

You said the app came up (your initial problem description). We got it up and running - now, does it work?

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Well, no. The ADTPro behind the floppy disk icon still doesn't open. It flashes briefly in the dock and closes again. The terminal version - ADTPro.command - opens but doesn't transfer anything.

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

I'm going to need (much) more detail about how the command version works (or doesn't).

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

The server end seems to be OK. Terminal Open

On the IIGS

IN#2

14B or IN#2 gives ?SYNTAX ERROR
For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Oops On the IIGS IN#2

14B or IN#2 gives ?SYNTAX ERROR
For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

For some reason the ctrl between the <> doesn't stay in the text?

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

What the instructions are trying to say is you hold down the key marked control (I don't have a GS in front of me now, maybe it's ctrl), and while that key is held down, press then release the key marked A, then release the control key. That's what <ctrl-A> means.

david-schmidt commented 2 weeks ago

It would be good to watch the video on the bootstrapping page - while the screens have changed a bit since that video was made, the keyboard manipulations you do on the Apple II side have not changed: https://adtpro.com/bootstrap.html

For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Oh, good grief. I've only been around computers since 1988.

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It would be good to watch the video on the bootstrapping page - while the screens have changed a bit since that video was made, the keyboard manipulations you do on the Apple II side have not changed: https://adtpro.com/bootstrap.html

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For-ADT commented 2 weeks ago

Thank you for your patience, guidance and a fantastic piece of software! DC15BB03-2A21-4500-A741-9102D3606477