Define a process for quality checks and/or verifying a profile

[timmwille]

So if we establish a process where existing experts can testify/verify a profile of a new member or per Skill it could function as a reference as well via "Referred/Testified/Approved/Verified/Recommended by ..."

What do you think is the best way to approve a new profile/member as expert? could even be applied to all, even without certificates/proof for reference of skills etc...

What do you think is best @yyenki @maliarich @romeoplat ??

[yyenki]

I agree with the options "Referred/Testified/Approved/Verified/Recommended by ..." and perhaps, we could consider the number of people who could, let's say, refer/testify/approve/verify/recommend. Then members vote (that is, min 3 votes from existing experts) to qualify one's profile to be included.

[maliarich]

I have similar thought to yines' .. I agree with this " allowing voting" .

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 9:45 AM Yine Nyika @.***> wrote:

I agree with the options "Referred/Testified/Approved/Verified/Recommended by ..." and perhaps, we could consider the number of people who could, let's say, refer/testify/approve/verify/recommend. Then members vote (that is, min 3 votes from existing experts) to qualify one's profile to be included.

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[romeoplat]

Sure, let's do the voting thing

[romeoplat]

Hmmm? So who votes here, cause I thought later tights data shall be available to the public, employers and contractors, could we leave tye rating open to anyone who can rate the skill level of the experts, though I love something like a tag, say new expert, intermediate expert and advanced expert those can be stages of rating that can be tagged by us for each expert depending on when they joined the platform, what their public rating is and their expertise in reality of course.

And these can help the employers have an informed decision on choosing for someone

[yyenki]

@romeoplat I feel that suggestion can work best for someone whose profile is already part of the repository, it would be good for the public to rate every individual who is profiled. That would work perfectly well. Perhaps, create more opportunities for such an individual…totally makes sense. But I think @timmwille focus is on new members who will be profiled from our side as hub experts. I feel we should as members be able to verify, recommend, approve members who want to be part of our community. The voting still should be done by the members only to be fair and just. In this case, we could consider both features to be included.

[romeoplat]

Oh I now get it, so you mean like a pre voting before the person gets to the repository, yeah that one works, bur we have to also now here be clear on what parameters are we going to make our judgements, so that we can all have a clear way of how we vote in and our people I don't know kW if we can vote out anyway, but yes, we should set a few open guidelines like, the person must honestly have done something tangible that we could have noticed, the person must have done a training either with an ASKNET hub or did a related activity, these are suggestions but we can make better guidelines so that we make more better judgements

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@romeoplathttps://github.com/romeoplat I feel that suggestion can work best for someone whose profile is already part of the repository, it would be good for the public to rate every individual who is profiled. That would work perfectly well. Perhaps, create more opportunities for such an individual…totally makes sense. But I think @timmwillehttps://github.com/timmwille focus is on new members who will be profiled from our side as hub experts. I feel we should as members be able to verify, recommend, approve members who want to be part of our community. The voting still should be done by the members only to be fair and just. In this case, we could consider both features to be included.

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[romeoplat]

Oh I now get it, so you mean like a pre voting before the person gets to the repository, yeah that one works, bur we have to also now here be clear on what parameters are we going to make our judgements, so that we can all have a clear way of how we vote in and our people I don't know kW if we can vote out anyway, but yes, we should set a few open guidelines like, the person must honestly have done something tangible that we could have noticed, the person must have done a training either with an ASKNET hub or did a related activity, these are suggestions but we can make better guidelines so that we make more better judgements

What do you think @yyenki @timmwille @maliarich

[yyenki]

Very true. I guess we need to now deliberate on which parameters our voting will be based on. Just a suggestion on one of the parameters we could consider...

1. if we could find any relevant online publication/mentions/tags, then we could vote for him or her. @timmwille @maliarich @romeoplat feel free to add.

[romeoplat]

He or she must be sane and should concent to being part of the #ASKlead

[romeoplat]

He or she must be sane and should concent to being part of the #ASKlead

[romeoplat]

3. He or she must be able have some evidence of his or her work online or offline as a product or prototype this shall help push people or have people who are product based, even though a trainer atleast have a mention online that you have trained these type of people.

[maliarich]

Being part of the #ASKnet or related activities and or willing to help further development of the #ASKLEAD, I think is good consideration. An expert in Open source related field.

[yyenki]

@maliarich @romeoplat Amazing. @timmwille what's your say?

[MartinSchott]

Hey guys, that's a really interesting discussion you're having here! Because I think it fits well, I am copying a part of the protocol from the meeting Vicy, Yine, Romeo and me had a while ago. Maybe it helps with the question "Which parameters should the voting be based on", that you were discussing further above. (here is the protocol from back then)

→ We want some evidence/proof/prototype/product that the person actually has the mentioned skills, This can be:

• a certificate / a degree (from r0g, from universities, are also other certificates allowed?)
  • should they be uploaded? rather not?
  • → just list the certificates / degrees
• a prototype or a product (can be a device that he/she built, a podcast, a video, etc)
  • → people have to provide links (sites that mention the person)
• evidence of a workshop / training that she/he conducted
• a recommendation from a member of a hub, or r0g (or can anybody give recommendations?)
  • with contact info to get in touch with the “recommender”
  • also from former employers (where person has worked)

[yyenki]

@MartinSchott I think in this case regarding the parameters, things like certificates/degrees can be optional, rather our focus should be on this key parameters.

A prototype or a product (can be a device that he/she built, a podcast, a video, etc)

→ people have to provide links (sites that mention the person)

Evidence of a workshop / training that she/he conducted

A recommendation from a member of a hub, or r0g (or can anybody give recommendations?)

With contact info to get in touch with the “recommender” and also from former employers (where person has worked).

[romeoplat]

|Hey, My people have we finally come up with proper verification criteria? or we are yet suggesting @yyenki @maliarich

[MartinSchott]

I'm copying my comment from #154 as it might add to the discussion:

It is important to find a way for experts that didn't learn their skills through university / certificates.

The challenge is then, how can we have a certain degree of "standardization" in how the tangible work examples are presented? I think that would be necessary, so that the data quality team has it not too difficult to decide in each case.

My proposal would be: select 3-5 best practice examples of existing profiles (or write new ones) of skill qualifications that are not with degree/certificate, but with work examples, and which also include some explanation and are easy to understand for external persons that (hopefully) will visit LEAD in the future.

(anyway, I'm not the one to decide, just adding my thoughts 🙂 )

[yyenki]

@MartinSchott @romeoplat @Iamjaiksana @timmwille @maliarich Here is my proposal of how we can verify or check for quality for experts to be part of LEAD.

1. We should be able to provide links to their work online (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube or website) and that can work as our proof of their skill set. In this case, for example, profiles for Romeo or Ladu could be linked to all their respective work. That's enough proof of their skill set.

2. When someone was trained by that particular hub, I believe they should have been able to work some tasks and thus, the hub needs to provide an attestation (proof/evidence/declaration/formal certification of their work - perhaps, we can include this feature on the LEAD website below profiles). In this case for example from GoGirls side, I would like the profiles of Iklass Martin and Anthoneta Keji removed because the tasks we gave them, they could not complete them. This could work as a benchmark to qualify experts who don't have degrees or certificates to be part of this database.

3. If someone has a genuine degree, we should be able to prove that, for example, by linking to their university. I take a case scenario of myself, when you google "Yine Yenki - Makerere University" are able to see my name reflected on the graduation list of 2015 which a clear indication that indeed, I got that degree. Have a look at the screenshot below as proof.

4. Let me take the case scenario of @dawaedina27 where she got someone with a degree, but no work online, in this case, rule no.3 above applies, or I believe if he is a student, there must be a lecturer or an instructor whom he can recommend for us to contact and get access to his details (Normally, universities issue student numbers (the particular expert should provide us with his/her number) that are unique to each student, and we should be able to verify with such an institution).

Two weeks back, I was interacting with one of the biggest firms in East Africa (UAP Insurance) and one of the challenges they highlighted to me regarding recruitment of employees in Juba was that most people forge documents, and it's becoming costly for their institution to verify documents because they now have to hire a firm to keep contacting Universities to verify academic documents. Trust me, UAP is one of the many struggling with such challenges. We could explicitly turn this to our advantage and make this platform the go-to database to verify individuals who are also seeking for employees, consultants and verify their documents - after all, that's the power of Open Source in transforming systems. But this depends on our efforts to get genuine information and grow this platform otherwise, I already see a huge potential in this in relation to employment opportunities in South Sudan. There are also several complaints that several local and international organizations within South Sudan don't recruit people with academic documents because they claim that there are no Sudan Sudanese with the required skill set and hence recruit foreigners - in this long run, if not handled, it could even turn xenophobic and of course, as problem solvers, we don't want that. When we officially launch our website or when an opportunity avails, we could engage the National Communication Authority (NCA), South Sudan NGO Forum and in the long run the Ministry of Human Resources to promote the use of such platform by hiring firms and institutions. From my side, this is good enough for now and as we grow and expand on this, more ideas/concepts will be added as we learn.

What are your thoughts on this?

Another Addition and I need your thoughts on this

On all the profiles, including mine, I feel under Describe Yourself - we need something catchy and attractive like a bio to the public. I was suggesting something like the below, for example, take my bio, some time back where I tried as much as possible to reflect all that I have been involved in so far.

Yine Yenki Nyika is the co-founder and Mentorship Director at GoGirls ICT Initiative, where she oversees running all trainings of mentors and overseeing training workshops given at the organization. She holds a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science from Makerere University, Uganda and is a Teaching Assistant at the college of Computer Science and Information Technology at the University of Juba, South Sudan. She worked as Head, Department of Computer Science in the same Institution for three years. Likewise, she has spoken and participated in several conferences both on local and International platforms including the #PeaceHackCamp, ICT4D 2016, Youth Connekt Africa 2017, Transform Africa Summit 2017, re: publica18 in Berlin and the International Symposium of Electronic Arts 2018 in Durban among others. She was a facilitator for the #defyhatenow project and through this initiative contributed to the Field Guide - a tool used to mitigate online and offline Hate speech which could lead to violence in South Sudan in relation to gender issues. She has contributed her skills and knowledge during the Youth Innovation Challenges organized by UNDP South Sudan. Not only that, but she is also a coordinator of the Access to Skills and Knowledge network #ASKnet project, a network consisting of five hubs in South Sudan and Northern Uganda working towards the promotion of digital inclusion as a framework for addressing the readiness of South Sudanese Communities to fully embrace the digital age. Furthermore, through her work, she is interested in understanding and changing the narrative that limits the participation of Girls and Women in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) in South Sudan.

[chardso]

And there are some who have experience in work but ,they do not document their work due to circumstances unknown to us but physically on ground they skill can be accessed. How shall we help these ones out? Giving an example of myself I wasn't documenting my work,had no link for my activities,it was until I got to #ASKnet , acquired a skill and now have some of my work documented. It's just a suggestion,and I will be happy to receive feedbacks.

[yyenki]

@Chardso That's where the hub comes in. Please refer to Point two on how to verify a user.