AmogOS Resignation and Fork Letter

[ghost]

The original announcement on this was deleted by Moon, so I had to wait until he was asleep. When they try to silence you, you know you have something good. A web archive can be found here. I recommend you make your own web archives of this as well.

10th of January, 2022

The 7th (date where the team split was cemented) was what you could call a happy day for it’s neglected participants and ex-participants. No longer will we have to wiggle through the unbearable and impenetrable team politics inside of AmogOS, but we will also be embarking on a much more exciting, much more useful fork. However, we cannot embark on a legitimate continuation of the project without at least explaining our rationale.

AmogOS as it exists is pretty much dead, and chugs along releasing an update or two ever since the Bullseye release, enjoying spikes of attention, contributions and activity after a video is released on it or after a developer takes an initiative. Efforts to further OS development and lead it into a tangible direction have failed hard ever since then, with actual progress and knowledge-building falling by the wayside. What was once a project of love is now marked by neglect.

Everytime a developer who isn’t Nooz goes too far with their own initiative, they are vetoed by Moon, who has thankfully lost the space he can interfere in because of personal time constraints, so now development changes happen at the pace of day-long bursts where he is not active or when he’s doing it himself. Either that, or he lets initiative go too far, as he did with the AmogOS merch store which was taken down by the actual Among Us developers for selling copyrighted artwork.

Much of the “initiative” isn’t good either. Involving either the introduction of text editor rebrands sizing at about 200MB or Minecraft Pi syscall translation layers and total conversion mods sizing at about 600MB. Not even the performance of Among Us itself has improved that much in the OS! This all, of course, takes the place over basic things such as user agnosticity in the OS. The introduction of a straight x86 port of pi-apps instead of just a deb repository or rudimentary manual packages was very weird as well.

And that is, of course, ignoring the disaster that community management for AmogOS has always been, given that youtuber bait doesn’t make for the best community out there, you’d guess that such a community needs at least the bare minimum of moderation, which of course, was not there at all. That is to say, the first Discord which was associated with Jostro quite literally had no rules, and the second one has a set of rules that isn’t really followed or enforced, because Moon for his part actually hates his moderation team as he is currently going through his soy brainmelt phase, and Nooz folds easily to whoever reaches him first to complain to him. The best thing you could say about the other admins is that they exist, barely.

Intention to Fork and Resign

The AmogOS split team now must announce two things:

• Their voluntary resignation from the AmogOS project, both as first parties and indirectly contributing third parties.

• Their fork of AmogOS, called SusOS, which they consider to be a direct continuation and spiritual successor to the AmogOS project under a different name, and can be accessed here.

Signed:

Phene, Mirrorer and Contributor. Until October 13 2021. Helena, Maintainer 2021 Oct 9 - 13, 2022 Jan 4 - 7. “Trim”, Third-party indirect contributor and package support, Jan 2022. Linkley, torrent seedboxer. Until January 9 2022.

[joebobbio]

The lesson is to not let 12 year olds manage projects

[NoozAbooz]

While I don't quite agree with some of those, I do respect that that is your opinion. Best of luck on your fork.

[NoozAbooz]

Also breh this is a funi dum meme OS based on dumb old video game no one plays anymore not Ubuntu lol

“Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.”
- Elbert Hubbard

[ghost]

"A little more persistence, a little more effort, and what seemed hopeless failure may turn to glorious success."
- Elbert Hubbard

[NoozAbooz]

“Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.”

I don't update it often cuz I got school and such, not that much to update once you run outta ideas 🤷

[F-fengzi]

truely bruh moment lol

[buddyjojo]

What a nice and formal way to say you want to take over a dumb os from two bored teens because you think its not good enough This "SusOS" is just a random regular distro with a hint of among us, you might aswell just make a regular distro Come on its amogos, this os is and always will be a meme/joke Who cares if its bad?

[buddyjojo]

honestly in the long run you have caused nothing but drama for your own personal gain ironic i know but your the one that started first

[Stef16Robbe]

mfs quoting elbert hubbard like some motivation twitter account on an among us meme OS repo

[ghost]

honestly in the long run you have caused nothing but drama for your own personal gain ironic i know but your the one that started first

"personal gain" "meme linux distro that no one uses"

pick a struggle fr.

[buddyjojo]

bruh

[NoozAbooz]

🍿 watching this unfold be like

[joebobbio]

one thing that I've never liked is the constant "give us money pls uwu" like what's the money actually used for? definitely not development, since there is no development, this is just riced Debian with a lot of bloat it's most likely not going to your website either - the domain is very likely $12 or less a year and I'm pretty sure you're using a free host or piggybacking off of someone else's what is the money actually used for?

[NoozAbooz]

one thing that I've never liked is the constant "give us money pls uwu" like what's the money actually used for? definitely not development, since there is no development, this is just riced Debian with a lot of bloat it's most likely not going to your website either - the domain is very likely $12 or less a year and I'm pretty sure you're using a free host or piggybacking off of someone else's what is the money actually used for?

Its used to pay artists, like peek. Every donation and withdrawl is counted for and public to view on OpenCollective page. There's most much else we can do with the money anyways, none of us have bank accounts to cash them out to.

[joebobbio]

what's peek being paid for when they've left the project and not made any new things in a long time? it's literally the equivalent of lighting your money on fire at this point

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022, 20:49 RPI News, @.***> wrote:

one thing that I've never liked is the constant "give us money pls uwu" like what's the money actually used for? definitely not development, since there is no development, this is just riced Debian with a lot of bloat it's most likely not going to your website either - the domain is very likely $12 or less a year and I'm pretty sure you're using a free host or piggybacking off of someone else's what is the money actually used for?

Its used to pay artists, like peek. Every donation and withdrawl is counted for and public to view on OpenCollective page. There's most much else we can do with the money anyways, none of us have bank accounts to cash them out to.

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[F-fengzi]

the electric cost for making a youtube video is less than $1, why do youtubers have ads in their vids?

(i don’t get/use the money, saying this simply cuz i find your statement funi)

[NoozAbooz]

what's peek being paid for when they've left the project and not made any new things in a long time? it's literally the equivalent of lighting your money on fire at this point … On Tue, 11 Jan 2022, 20:49 RPI News, @.> wrote: one thing that I've never liked is the constant "give us money pls uwu" like what's the money actually used for? definitely not development, since there is no development, this is just riced Debian with a lot of bloat it's most likely not going to your website either - the domain is very likely $12 or less a year and I'm pretty sure you're using a free host or piggybacking off of someone else's what is the money actually used for? Its used to pay artists, like peek. Every donation and withdrawl is counted for and public to view on OpenCollective page. There's most much else we can do with the money anyways, none of us have bank accounts to cash them out to. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#118 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AON2OJK6KS5B3J2PJ52XITDUVTM35ANCNFSM5LVJCAYQ . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: @.>

I did arrange for peek to be paid, He hasen't left the project, still a "part" of it just not as active as before. The payment was for making the old wallpapers, and also for making a new one but he has not gotten back to me yet. The money could also be used for future artists and paying proper devs once I find one.

[joebobbio]

most of the money goes to Google and not the actual creator

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022, 20:56 Fengzi, @.***> wrote:

the electric cost for making a youtube video is less than $1, why do youtubers have ads in their vids?

(i don’t get/use the money, saying this simply cuz i find your statement funi)

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[F-fengzi]

most of the money goes to Google and not the actual creator

ok but still? my point still stands

[buddyjojo]

one thing that I've never liked is the constant "give us money pls uwu" like what's the money actually used for? definitely not development, since there is no development, this is just riced Debian with a lot of bloat it's most likely not going to your website either - the domain is very likely $12 or less a year and I'm pretty sure you're using a free host or piggybacking off of someone else's what is the money actually used for?

i agree

[buddyjojo]

the whole mearch stuff is just no

[ghost]

the electric cost for making a youtube video is less than $1, why do youtubers have ads in their vids?

(i don’t get/use the money, saying this simply cuz i find your statement funi)

to support their channel financially as an incentive to continue their creation of content. there's no active development on AmogOS and everything just happens in like 3-day intervals where someone wants to add the next piece of bloatware to the system.

[F-fengzi]

yeah i know but that’s a different thing tho

[F-fengzi]

Actually I also don’t like the constant monetize attempts but you can’t really say they’re wrong for providing ways for people to support their work

[NoozAbooz]

wait wern't you the person who added the opencollective button to the site

[F-fengzi]

yep and you threatened me with p***s in dm to do that ok lmao

[NoozAbooz]

~yep and you threatened me with p***s in dm to do that ok lmao~

Hey what the only person I blackmail in DMs is Moon

[F-fengzi]

we may not like it but no one is forced to donate

also transparent numbers here: they received $40.02 total donations in open collective, after the taxes and fees there’s only $30.81 left. And that’s with the 20 dollars nooz threw in himself included smh

[NoozAbooz]

The 20$ was from merch profits, I believe each merch item is set to earn a max profit of 1$ and some items were set even lower.

[ghost]

Actually I also don’t like the constant monetize attempts but you can’t really say they’re wrong for providing ways for people to support their work

if your os breaks when you create a new user you shouldn't have an opencollective page. you can't use "it's a joke" as an excuse for the os being bad and then ask people to give you money lmao.

[NoozAbooz]

Actually I also don’t like the constant monetize attempts but you can’t really say they’re wrong for providing ways for people to support their work

if your os breaks when you create a new user you shouldn't have an opencollective page. you can't use "it's a joke" as an excuse for the os being bad and then ask people to give you money lmao.

What kinda person except you would download a OS and try to make a new user the second it boots?

[ghost]

Actually I also don’t like the constant monetize attempts but you can’t really say they’re wrong for providing ways for people to support their work

if your os breaks when you create a new user you shouldn't have an opencollective page. you can't use "it's a joke" as an excuse for the os being bad and then ask people to give you money lmao.

What kinda person except you would download a OS and try to make a new user the second it boots?

someone who wants to set up ssh on a live booting system.

[ghost]

nooz, you don't know unix. i'm begging you to read the debian unix-like navigation manual lol, i think i've even recommended it to you before https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html

[F-fengzi]

1. i didnt use 'it's a joke' as an excuse, if it's bad it is bad
2. giving ways to support doesn't require the thing to be good, again who said you need to donate

   if your os breaks when you create a new user you shouldn't have an opencollective page

3. would you please try to read what you're saying

[ghost]

1. i didnt use 'it's a joke' as an excuse, if it's bad it is bad

   2. giving ways to support doesn't require the thing to be good, again who said you need to donate

if your os breaks when you create a new user you shouldn't have an opencollective page

3. would you try to read what you're saying

People make stupid decisions all the time. If they make the stupid decision to support AmogOS, it doesn't change the fact that they invested on a bad project and that the project itself is enabling that investment.

[F-fengzi]

It's up to them to decide what they waste their own money on. They can throw their money to the trash can or put them onto fire if they're happy about that

[NoozAbooz]

nooz, you don't know unix. i'm begging you to read the debian unix-like navigation manual lol, i think i've even recommended it to you before https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html

"Manual" 🤓

manuals are lame, who cares if you break something 😎

[NoozAbooz]

I don't realy see this going anywhere... so yeet

[buddyjojo]

nooz, just bruh

[F-fengzi]

bruh nooz

[buddyjojo]

jokes on you i am one

[buddyjojo]

i was about to do that smh

[buddyjojo]

anyways this entire situ is dumb

[ghost]

nooz, you don't know unix. i'm begging you to read the debian unix-like navigation manual lol, i think i've even recommended it to you before https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html

"Manual" nerd_face

manuals are lame, who cares if you break something sunglasses

"manuals are lame" - guy who is developing a system with 20k downloads

[NoozAbooz]

nooz, you don't know unix. i'm begging you to read the debian unix-like navigation manual lol, i think i've even recommended it to you before https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html

"Manual" nerd_face manuals are lame, who cares if you break something sunglasses

"manuals are lame" - guy who is developing a system with 20k downloads

If you are gonna roast me, I respect that but at least make it a roast. I literally do not get how that was a insult.

[joebobbio]

deez

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022, 21:59 RPI News, @.***> wrote:

nooz, you don't know unix. i'm begging you to read the debian unix-like navigation manual lol, i think i've even recommended it to you before https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html

"Manual" nerd_face manuals are lame, who cares if you break something sunglasses

"manuals are lame" - guy who is developing a system with 20k downloads

If you are gonna roast me, I respect that but at least make it a roast.

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[NoozAbooz]

deez

nuts

[buddyjojo]

nooz your basically saying you don't care about amogos and just want the money

[NoozAbooz]

nooz your basically saying you don't care about amogos and just want the money

I do care about it, i've worked on it for a lot more time than I should have, and all the money transactions are public. I have not taken a single penny from the balance for myself and I never will.

[joebobbio]

nudes boy moment

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022, 22:05 buddyjojo, @.***> wrote:

nooz your basically saying you don't care about amogos and just want the money

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