Feature request: Link to original article in RSS feed

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I would appreciate if there was a direct link to the original article 
directly in the RSS feed.  There are times I would like to skip viewing 
the DNK page about the article.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by tapmym...@gmail.com on 15 Aug 2007 at 9:28

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I don't know if this should be implemented, it's fair to step by dotnetkicks 
before
going straight to the story, and this gives the chance to kick the story as 
well.
Gavin, Accept or WontFix?

Original comment by simone.b...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 6:55

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• Removed labels: Type-Defect

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What if we were to link to a frameset? The top frame could show the kick it 
button
and some other DNK information, the main article could then be displayed in the
bottom frame.

This would be the best of both worlds

Original comment by gavinjo...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 7:31

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Frames are obsolete, should we really use them?

Original comment by simone.b...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 12:25

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Is there an alternative way to achieve this without frames?

Original comment by gavinjo...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 12:56

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Personally I don't like surfing with frames, but it's just my opinion.

Maybe an iframe? Or an automatic redirection to the article after stepping by 
the
story page and automatically kick it if the user is logged in?

Original comment by simone.b...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:12

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We can't really auto kick a story for the user before they have read it.

I haven't been keeping up with developments in HTML for the past few years. Are
frames really obsolete? Will modern browsers stop supporting them in the near 
future?

Original comment by gavinjo...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:17

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No I don't think that their support is going to be dropped, it's just that 
they're
not very user friendly, but I'm not very up to date with web design as well, so 
I
honestly don't know the true reasons why frames are not widely used, I just 
notice
they they are because you won't find many websites using them out there. The 
only
examples I see are MSDN library which uses one for the tree of topics and maybe 
a
couple others. But maybe an iframe will work as well.

Original comment by simone.b...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:22

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I guess the decision to accept or deny this request depends on the purpose you 
are 
trying to serve.  If you are trying to get people to participate in *your site* 
then 
don't add the direct link.  But if you are trying to help your users, such as 
myself, get the information we need or want with as little hassle as possible, 
then 
add the link.  It doesn't have to replace the primary link in the RSS feed.  It 
can 
be as simple as a small "Go" link at the very bottom of the feed item.

Think about it this way.  Right now, nearly everytime I visit DNK from the RSS 
feed, 
I don't bother looking through the comments/voting anyway.  I just click 
directly on 
the title to go to the real article.  If I find something that I feel strongly 
enough about I'll go back to the DNK site.

As it is though, the DNK summary of the site is usually not enough info to make 
any 
decisions about the article.  So it wouldn't be fair to automatically kick it 
either 
because I find that many of the articles that I thought would be interesting 
really 
don't mean anything to me.  Not that they're not perfectly good articles -- 
they 
just don't apply to me like I thought they may from their title.

Basically I want to use DNK to find interesting .NET things, but that doesn't 
mean 
that I always want to "be part of the community".  Community is great and I'm 
glad 
people participate.  And when I'm reading something I like and there is a Kick 
It 
button, I do. 

As an alternative, that might satisfy everyone.  Why not provide the comments 
as a 
comment feed so that I can shoose to review them in RSS Bandit (or whatever).  
RSS 
Bandit also allows me to post comments to feeds that follow some spec.  You 
could 
add these extensions and have your community extend from your website to my 
desktop.

Just a thought.

Thanks,

Scott

Original comment by tapmym...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:26

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This is Gavin's choice. In my opinion it's fair to step by DNK since it brings 
visits
to the websites and reminds a user to kick the story if he liked it. I'm fine 
with
the fact that it's not fair to automatically kick it, it was just an idea.
After all, it's just one more click, not such a waste of time, just something 
you
give back to dotnetkicks for bringing you selected stuff. Besides, a lot of 
articles
don't have a kick it button so most of the times I think people forget to kick 
them.

Original comment by simone.b...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:33

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It is important that DNK.com is seen to be driving traffic to posts so we can't 
put a
direct link in the RSS feed. We also need kicks from users otherwise no great 
content
rises to the top.

As I see it we have two real options:

 1. Link to a page on DNK which performs a redirect to the original link (perhaps
this redirecting page could remind users to kick the story if they like it)
 2. Some sort of frame/iframe solution - we could use 50 pixels at the top to display
a 'kick it' widget and a description.

Original comment by gavinjo...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:42

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Both solutions look good to me. The first needs some changes into the codebase, 
I
would go for the second option at the moment, and see what it looks like.

Original comment by simone.b...@gmail.com on 5 Sep 2007 at 1:49

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One downside to this--since spam gets through and remains in most RSS readers 
in the
current implementation, adding a link directly to the article makes this spam 
venue
more valuable to evildoers.

Original comment by wyatt.ba...@gmail.com on 7 Sep 2007 at 6:21

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How about this for an idea...

Add a field to user profile to store one of three options:
DirectLinkViaRss
StoryLinkViaRss
FramedLinkViaRss

The RSS Feed would go to a page such as "rssview/story/id/234" whatever.

Then based on the user's preference (would need to be logged in), the user will 
be:
1) redirected to the site (so at least the author's stats will show the user 
coming
from DNK instead of directly from the RSS viewer)
2) view the DNK story page (how it works now)
3) view the story with a frame (such as many sites such as google translator and
about.com still do), the top header frame would just be 1 row with the story 
summary
and possibility an smaller adsense box, and a "close me" button that closes the 
top
frame and redirects to story, 

Example of frame:
http://google.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zu=http%3A//googleblog.blogspot.c
om/

just an idea to get the best of all

Original comment by james.e....@gmail.com on 14 Sep 2007 at 2:54

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Above idea would also handle issue 59. And you could log the number of story 
page
views and clicks-throughs.

Original comment by james.e....@gmail.com on 14 Sep 2007 at 2:56

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I like these profile options.

Original comment by gavinjo...@gmail.com on 14 Sep 2007 at 10:23

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If you start implementing frames to articles you will lose users.  That will up 
the
ad revenue however for a period of time.  Digg doesn't do this, please use them 
as a
reference point.  Issue 59 is resolved, thank you.

Original comment by DustinBr...@gmail.com on 9 Jan 2008 at 6:14

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What about two different RSS-Feeds. One for us who would like to go straight to 
the 
article on who would like the option to pass through dotnetkicks.com

Original comment by johansso...@gmail.com on 8 Oct 2008 at 6:38