Intro to non-insect Invertebrate Collections in Arctos

[ebraker]

Teresa to ask Phyllis

[dustymc]

That's a question for @ArctosDB/arctos-working-group-officers

(I hope we will be in PG by then, but that can be scheduled and I don't think it'd be a problem to work around a webinar.)

[sharpphyl]

And I'd like to confirm that we won't be migrating to PostGres on or before April 12

Just checking that you meant May 12th.

If we might be switching over about that time, should we delay the webinar a week or so or go ahead?

[ebraker]

Sorry! Yes, I meant May 12... I think to be on the safe side we may want to delay rather than have any more scheduling hiccups. @sharpphyl @anna-chinn what do you think? May 19 or 26th? A different date?

[Jegelewicz]

As there is literally nobody but me testing ArctosPG right now as far as I can tell, the later, the better.

Dusty may have a different view if people are in test but not documenting it in GitHub.

[dustymc]

There are a few others plugging around in there.

My view on the migration hasn't changed in a long time - the sooner the better.

[Jegelewicz]

I do not disagree, but we need to feel confident that we have tested. Right now, I don't feel that - maybe I am the only one who feels that way.

[ebraker]

I don't disagree on migrating sooner rather than later. I think scheduling the webinar farther out will allow users to poke around in untested corners of PG to largely ensure that we don't encounter them while broadcasting... (the alternative being that we present a webinar in Production next week, but this requires that the PG migration 2-day downtime does not overlap with the scheduled webinar)

[campmlc]

I'll be in test after this week. But we just sent out the clarification email - perhaps others will join.

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As there is literally nobody but me testing ArctosPG right now as far as I can tell, the later, the better.

Dusty may have a different view if people are in test but not documenting it in GitHub.

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[dustymc]

Still not my call, but I don't think next week is likely, and I don't think scheduling around a webinar would be an issue.

[sharpphyl]

@ebraker , I'm find with delaying the webinar until either May 19th or 26 if it's ok with @anna-chinn. What I'd rather not do is create a webinar that's partially in "test" and is out of date soon. I'd rather have a week after Postgres to make all my links and know they'll be stable for a while.

[ccicero]

I suggest delaying as well. I don't recommend doing the webinar with the current prod version, it's super slower - at least for me!

[ebraker]

Ok, sounds like we should hold off. How about we tentatively set the webinar date to May 26th with flexibility around delaying further if we haven't been in PG long enough to iron out the major kinks (~1 week min) @sharpphyl @anna-chinn

[sharpphyl]

It's on my calendar for May 26th. Thanks.

[anna-chinn]

May 26th sounds good to me, too.

[sharpphyl]

I understand the transition to Postgres is more likely to be in early June rather than late May. Since I'm having some issues creating some tutorials to augment the webinar, I'm wondering if we need to delay another few weeks until we're in Postgres and have had a few weeks to run through our presentation and know that everything is working as planned.

[ebraker]

@sharpphyl We had discussed doing it on May 26 in the AWG meeting yesterday. That way the webinar would be in Production vs PG. It sounds like we will set a PG migration date (after May 26), so that would push the webinar likely into mid-June. Up to you and @anna-chinn but sooner might be better? Also, THANK YOU for making tutorials! :)

[sharpphyl]

Let's see what Anna thinks, but I just tried to update metadata on a taxon name and it literally took over 3 minutes before it was done churning. That would not work well on a live webinar and I hate to limit ourselves to just the simplest screens for fear that we'll time out. If it totally messes up your schedule, then we can give it a try.

And the first tutorial I started to do involved the "invalid" taxon name issue, so I haven't made much progress yet but I'll keep trying.

[anna-chinn]

May 26 still works for me, but I could hold off until post-PG if need be. That said, too much later than mid-June/July and I will likely have much less consistent availability.

Phyllis, I've also been experiencing bad lag on taxon name/classification updates and I can definitely understand your hesitation. While being unable to save updates in real time isn't ideal, we can still show off the different kinds of taxon name and classification metadata that can be added and how the metadata impact how records appear in searches and how they relate specimens to one another.

To me, the webinar audience and the tutorial audience are different (live webinars more for prospective collections, tutorials for current Arctos users). If the sticking point is creating the complementary tutorials, I think that having them available as eventual resources is good enough, especially if the lag time is only a month or so.

[sharpphyl]

Let's see how our practice run-through goes on Thursday. I think we can make it work and stick with the May 26th date. I may have to use the "test" site but I'm doing that on some tutorials as well. There will always be a "life" to these videos and sometimes we'll have to update or redo them.

[ebraker]

Sounds good. Let me know your final call ASAP after your practice goes on Thursday so I can send out a list serv announcement.

[sharpphyl]

@dustymc

Media doesn't seem to be working.

I'm in Firefox because Chrome still is showing that we don't have a certificate. We have a Webinar tomorrow and would like to show media. Can go without it but need to know what to do.

[sharpphyl]

It's fixed. Thanks.

[ebraker]

Well done!

[Jegelewicz]

This was an awesome webinar!!!! Thanks @sharpphyl and @anna-chinn!!!!

[sharpphyl]

Whew! Glad it was helpful.