Closed wellerjes closed 11 months ago
US Fish and Wildlife Services has an option to do a csv download of the species considered threatened/endangered. Could we us the information from these csv downloads to help jump-start the process? Here's the search page: https://ecos.fws.gov/ecp0/reports/ad-hoc-species-report-input
I'm envisioning a way to add this to the taxonomy records / code table like this:
This information would then populate on the taxonomy page under info:
Thoughts?
-I think it would appear under source here?).
I'm just going to do something, add a 'managed' column to the code table or something. (Which might be a roundabout way of implementing https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/discussions/4965...) Going next task for that, I'm not sure it's tied to the rest anyway.
something
I can't work from that, nor from "this sucks." I need to know what you're trying to do in at least enough detail to get it started, and more is always better. https://handbook.arctosdb.org/how_to/How-to-Use-Issues-in-Arctos.html
I'm not sure I completely understand where you're coming from or where you're going, but lacking better ideas (hopefully not for long) I'll recommend this be done as a report - I think it's well within the capabilities of the current reporter, easy to change or clone/adapt or etc., and takes minimal development to get started.
Could we us the information from these csv downloads
Yes, that's the core idea behind the model.
https://handbook.arctosdb.org/documentation/taxonomy.html
You can start that by requesting a new source, the classification loader should be more than capable of handling whatever's behind that URL.
Another thought I just had--instead of tying it taxonomy, we could create a new attribute/code table. That way each collection could tie it to the record based on the source they use, since it varies state by state and internationally.
Example: https://arctos.database.museum/guid/CHAS:Herb:2021.6.1956 IUCN lists Halesia carolina as least concern, but I want it to be flagged as endangered because we have to report it to IDNR--it's considered endangered plant in Illinois. Rather than having all the different sources in the taxonomy that differ based on your location/collecting localities, an attribute is tied directly to the catalog page with the source connected (IUCN, state, federal, etc.).
For the Code Table:
As long as we can search and download attribute values, from the search page, I would be happy with this as a solution, but there might be other issues I'm not seeing.
@wellerjes send me the list of IDNR endangered stuff. I'll set something up in test and we can decide if it works for you.
Thank you @Jegelewicz!!
Here's a csv for the IDNR endangered and threatened species list. IDNR Endangered-Threatened List 2020.csv
Here's the original as a PDF IDNR_IL-stateTEspecies-2020.pdf
I don't really object to the attribute, but it's a very roundabout way of getting where I think you want to be (which inevitably results in inconsistent output) and I would like that added to the documentation if the attribute is created.
If you want to just add that CSV as a source I can help you query against it. (But maybe drop 'type', or at least the implicit assertion that only birds lay identifiable eggs...)
just add that CSV as a source
This is what I plan to do.
Setting this up in test and noticed a few things
This search yields results when I am logged in to test - https://arctos-test.tacc.utexas.edu/search.cfm?tax_trm_1=endangered&tax_rnk_1=idnr%20status&tax_src_1=IDNR%20List
even more when not logged in as expected
@wellerjes try using that url when you are logged in to test and let me know if this is what you need. You can also see how this would work for common names
We would just need to set up a source for the ones that you specifically want to use. This will work for search and reports, but those specific common names won't show up on your catalog records.
Other notes to self:
If we add this to production, we need a source for all the classifications (with timestamp) so it can be updated as needed.
@wellerjes have you tried checking this out in test? The data may be overwritten soon and this will disappear into the ether requiring me to do it all again if you are still interested.
I haven't yet, sorry for the delay. I tried logging into test just now and it said "access restricted"; how to I make an account for test?
Your account in test should be the same as your account in production. I just unlocked and reset it, so look for an email from test and try again.
Thanks! I like how this works in the search. What would be involved in keeping this updated?
Classification-stuff (just CHAS classification-stuff?? Probably not...) needs a unified Issue, there are a bunch of little bits and pieces of similar (the same?? I don't know...) issues floating around, and how things should be managed will 100% depend on WHY they need managed in the first place. Probably without worrying about how the Arctos model does or does not work (that seems to mostly be a distraction?), can someone put together some sort of cohesive picture of how this and https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6731 and https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6644 and whatever I'm missing might ideally function?
What would be involved in keeping this updated?
Downloading, formatting for Arctos taxonomy and uploading to the source.
I don't know the schedule of updated that IDNR makes - so updating Arctos may or may not depend on that - totally up to you. You could set a reminder and just update it once a year, or you could do an update any time you really need to know current information. It is pretty easy to do and I could write up some instructions if you want to maintain the source.
needs a unified Issue
I don't think this does - this source is just a way to mark IDNR status (an extension of Arctos Legal in a way), the common name thing is just something extra that doesn't matter now that #6644 has been closed and this has absolutely nothing to do with #6731
Thanks! The IDNR list isn't updated every year (we're currently working with the version from 2020), so upkeep shouldn't be difficult.
OK - I am going to assign myself to upload it to production and I will add both of us as "managed by".
Thank you!
Closing this in favor of the code table request.
Issue Documentation is http://handbook.arctosdb.org/how_to/How-to-Use-Issues-in-Arctos.html
Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.
Describe what you're trying to accomplish Each year, we need to pull information about endangered/threatened species in our collections to report for state/federal levels for permits. The current method is clunky and pulls data from an unstable website.
Describe the solution you'd like
A report, a code table, an attribute, a downloadable csv -- something that makes it easier to find this data within Arctos.
A way to see all species that have "Arctos Legal" associated with their name (from the issues meeting--I think it would appear under source here?).
Describe alternatives you've considered Searching individual taxon names based on a list from CITES, US Fish and Wildlife, each state.
Additional context Related discussions and issues:
Discussed during Issues Meeting on January 5 (see agenda notes); determined that we need to put together a task force to discuss. Taxonomy will discuss at their next meeting on January 12.
Priority Please assign a priority-label. Unprioritized issues gets sent into a black hole of despair.