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Summarize by not ready for prime time - lots of issues #5536

Closed DerekSikes closed 1 year ago

DerekSikes commented 1 year ago

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The new summarize by has lost many of the very valuable features of the old summarize by. Some issues below

The prior version was actually much faster than a nonsummary search - in this version we have to do a nonsummary search first, which can be very slow and even time out for big searches (which was not a problem with the prior version because far fewer fields were being returned). I would sometimes use the summary search as a shortcut to search for catalog records because of the massive time savings. It would be better if this advantage of summarize was restored to its prior superiority.

And, the summarize by shows no logical sort or arrangement by taxon as the prior results had. The taxa ranks should be sorted from highest (eg Kingdom) on the left to lowest (species or identified by) on the right as they had been. And ideally, sorted alphabetically by each or at least the highest rank displayed. This is how everyone who knows higher scientific names expects them to appear in list summaries.

At the bottom of my collection webpage I have saved summary searches that use the old form/results to allow visitors to my page to see what's in the collection - and this new one looks like a big problem - (not the least of which is if we require login they won't work if the user is not logged in!!). The old results had the taxa sorted as they should (larger on left, smaller on right) and sorted them alphabetically. For example:

http://arctos.database.museum/saved/uamphylaclassesorders

It's a massively important function of Arctos to provide the public with quick summaries (not just cat records data for download) of what's in a collection. If this fails (and it seems to be headed in the wrong direction) then I might have to make static snapshots summaries that I build into my website like it's the 1990s.

And individual count is not working on summarize. Individual count must be the sum of all the individual counts of that taxon as it was before. It must be equal to or greater than the RecordCount for that row in the summary table.

The other summarize by was working pretty damn well and only needed to have the link to records problem solved. Now that is solved and a dozen other problems have appeared.

Priority Please assign a priority-label. Unprioritized issues get sent into a black hole of despair. high - the public-facing value of summarize by is massively important!

DerekSikes commented 1 year ago

D,

Search is a far better place for that tool since it is a search tool. Can you move it from Status & stats to Search?

The boxes in the manage or "tools directory" page are alphabetically sorted so the most frequently used boxes & tools are not near the top - but I can see that being a problem to sort out so OK! However, why does the 'Search' drop down menu (upper left of header) have different links than the 'Search' box on the 'Manage' page?? shouldn't they have the same links?

& More consistency problems - the link says 'Record Summary' but the tool says "Catalog Record Summary" - one thing should be called by one name.

-D

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:46 AM dustymc @.***> wrote:

what box is it in & what's it called?

5536 (comment)

https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/5536#issuecomment-1440469665

  • it's in Status & Stats (unless someone's moved it)

why is the 'search' box of link way down near the bottom?

Hu?

why ...say the same thing!

That's about inevitably the result of me being pulled in multiple directions, usually in a meeting when I don't have time to consider things like consistency. I still don't entirely care what either are called (and "directory" still seems wholly appropriate, which probably also indicates that the two differing labels are from two people, or at least two meetings) but somebody apparently does. This is probably coming to be Issue-worthy.

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DerekSikes commented 1 year ago

Sorry to be throwing all these random comments into this thread but can we also get the titles of those boxes on the 'Manage' page to be bigger font size? There's lots of room horizontally for them to expand and I find that in general most of the Arctos pages have smaller fonts than most other web pages I interact with - see screenshot (normal web font sizes on left, Arctos tiny fonts on right... If I boost my browser to >100% then all other websites get too big) Screen Shot 2023-02-22 at 10 56 18 AM Feb 22, 23

Jegelewicz commented 1 year ago

@dustymc if you are OK with it, I will break out some of this stuff into individual issues so we can consider them and close one at a time.

dustymc commented 1 year ago

break out some of this stuff into individual issues

Yes please, it's not going to happen from way down here.

DerekSikes commented 1 year ago

Individual count is not summarizing as it had previously. See screenshot: Screenshot 2023-04-10 at 6 33 32 PM

This is a summarize of results and it seems to be summarizing by individual count rather than totaling the individual count. I think we've been over this before - I'm hoping it can get back to its former functionality in which each row is a unique identification and the count of catalog records = the number of records with that ID and the individual count = the SUM of the individual counts of all those records.

Priority high, so we can easily see how many records and specimens we have of each taxon. A pretty key metric!!!

dustymc commented 1 year ago

I think this should probably be a new issue unless there's some background I'm not seeing. This issue lead to the creation of https://arctos.database.museum/record_summary.cfm, your screenshot is results/tools/summary. The standalone tool has the capability to do more than summarize; I'm not sure how the results-summarizer might get there, but we can try.

DerekSikes commented 1 year ago

Ok thanks! still getting used to there being 2 ways to summarize. I just tried this search with the stand alone summary and it works as expected re: individualcount.

It would be good to have some text on the standalone search page to tell folks how to use NotNull for a search (if that's even possible).

mkoo commented 1 year ago

Stale issue alert: The original issue topic has been discussed and some things have been implemented to address, so I am going to close this topic. Please file a new issue to start a fresh thread to reflect the current state of Arctos- thanks!