Open campmlc opened 1 year ago
Do we need the generic term or the more specific ones? Are the tests for any Mycobacterium
or for specific pathogenic species?
We could include M. tuberculosis M. leprae as separate values. But given that tests and results may differ in their level of specificity, and frequently researchers discover there are actually more species than previously know involved with these microrganisms once they start doing genetic tests, I started with the broader term. The data I have is only for M. leprae, however.
The data I have is only for M. leprae, however.
For my own understanding - no matter what the organism of interest, should I expect examined for
and detected
to use bacteria: Mycobacterium
as the value, with the details (Mycobacterium leprae) in the remark OR will we end up also adding bacteria: Mycobacterium leprae
to the code table? Was the examination specifically for Mycobacterium leprae or was it more general and Mycobacterium leprae was found?
I am asking so that I can try to formulate some rules about this code table and the creation and use of terms with the respective values "examined for, not examined for, detected, and not detected".
This may need to be a case by case basis, as in many taxa, there is only one pathogenic or parasitic species, in which case the specific pathogen should be referenced, whereas in others, there may be many, and using a higher level or more generic term or common name may be appropriate. I've been grappling with this too - when do we use common names that are readily searchable vs taxonomic names that obscure, used for different taxa, or may change, (Siphonaptera, for example). In this case, I'd like to request to use just Mycobacterium in the event they discover new "species".
During code table meeting today, we discussed assessing these on a taxon by taxon basis but keeping these as general as possible, and using relationships to specific identified taxa whenever feasible. So my understanding is that bacteria: Mycobacterium would be correct in this case, with M. leprae in methods/remarks. We would need to further discuss some way to catalog bacteria, pathogenic fungi, protozoa and viruses as Arctos:Pathogen or MSB:Pathogen or some other means of cataloging relationships. Another option is using the A:string for the host record but that may be problematic to implement because of access, timing, or workflow concerns.
using the A:string for the host record but that may be problematic to implement because of access, timing, or workflow concerns.
Why A {string}? Just use the identification! A record can have multiple identifications that are ranked. Both the mammal and it's associated bacteria could be identifications on a single record until such time that you want to catalog the bacterium separately.
Suggest simplifying the definition.
Mycobacterium is a genus that includes pathogens known to cause serious diseases in mammals, including tuberculosis (M. tuberculosis) and leprosy (M. leprae) in humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycobacterium
If we are being as general as possible, then should this be Mycobacteriaceae?
should this be Mycobacteriaceae
Seems reasonable to me, and a great example of why anything very specific needs more structure than this can carry:
Members of Mycolicibacillus were demarcated from the larger genus Mycobacterium in 2018 by Gupta ....
These attribute values just do not have the capacity to effectively deal with 'taxon concepts' (however rough).
is the new proposal: bacteria_Mycobacteriaceae
and thus following our new rules of punctuation? if so, I will check a box
Initial Request
Goal
Add the term "bacteria: Mycobacterium" to the Examined_Detected code table
Proposed Value:
bacteria: Mycobacterium
Proposed Definition:
Mycobacterium is a genus of over 190 species in the phylum Actinomycetota, assigned its own family, Mycobacteriaceae. This genus includes pathogens known to cause serious diseases in mammals, including tuberculosis (M. tuberculosis) and leprosy (M. leprae) in humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycobacterium
Context:
This is a new attribute value to capture data currently being evaluated in museum specimens through active loans. Preliminary results are already available.
Table:
https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctexamined_detected
Priority:
High
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Yes
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Add the issue to the Code Table Management Project.
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