Closed Jegelewicz closed 11 months ago
Make sure whatever happens that this is consistent with https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6748
Also, I would prefer the source be a publication instead of Wikipedia.
@KatherineLAnderson @Nicole-Ridgwell-NMMNHS @WaigePilson
Also, I would prefer the source be a publication instead of Wikipedia. I feel like Wikipedia citation is the perfect use case for this "informal" designation. If it were formally published in a peer reviewed journal, it would likely be listed in Geolex and belong in the formal stratigraphy tables? What do others think?
I'd like to clarify my wishes (and I am not the final say, I am just here hoping to avoid future problems).
When all we provide as a description is a link to a Wikipedia article, we are trusting that whatever is there when the term is created will always be there. Wikipedia is edited on the daily and the linked article may look nothing like it did today when I visit it tomorrow, much less 5 years from now. If we are presenting a Wikipedia link, perhaps a brief summary of whatever the definition is along with the date it was obtained would be useful?
In the linked article I can see
and
what I do not see is any kind of definition for those. Is there one on this page? Maybe we don't care about where the line between upper, middle and lower is, we just want to attach the fact that someone put that tag on something? Should I also infer from Wikipedia that there is a Lowe Fremouw Member?
(OK - now I am just being obnoxious)
This isn't meant to be difficult, but it is meant to make sure that the next user (or searcher) who comes along can make choices about what values to apply to their records or their searches.
"Lower Fremouw was described in XXXX as YYYY."
would be so much more helpful! If we can't provide that, do we even know what Lower Fremouw is?
It took a little digging, but maybe this is helpful?
from https://a-dinosaur-a-day.com/post/139468073695/lower-fremouw-formation
Time: About 252 to 247 million years ago, from the Induan to Olenekian ages of the Early Triassic Period, Mesozoic Era, Phanerozoic Eon
Location: Transantarctic Mountains, Antarctica
Environment: The early member of the Fremouw Formation is one of the earliest environments post the Permian extinction, which is the largest known extinction in Earth’s history.
But wait, a little deeper into the Google results and I find this:
Institute of Polar Studies Report 87
Which isn't the first description, but definitely points to it.
I know that making good definitions for things is not easy, but we should at least make an effort to make them the best we possibly can. When we don't (and we very rarely do), we end up with code table requests stuck in forever limbo because we cannot distinguish them from some term in use with a terrible or non-existent definition. I know that 30 minutes of Googling and reading papers is not in anyone's job description, but it can make a huge difference in the quality of the data associated with these terms and that pays off over time.
I think we can understand the need for a "definition" (however we want to define that, but let's run with reference to mentioned in Wikipedia article XXX on date YYY) for data integrity, but we are struggling with the various demands on our time outside of this data migration project--so 30 minutes of googling for each term is a big deal on our end.
Is a definition of "Defined as the uppermost sub-unit of the Fremouw formation at wikipedia link XXX on 22 September 2023" sufficient (for now anyway)?
"Defined as the uppermost sub-unit of the Fremouw formation at wikipedia link XXX on 22 September 2023" sufficient (
Suits me, and feel free to skip the date-bits (there's a log and the entry will reference the issue, both of which have that).
I don't think these have to be super-detailed, but they should also be unambiguous.
Sounds good to me.
I cannot add this because everything is a bit cloudy for me.
The Fremouw Formation can be subdivided into three informal members. The upper member consists of coarse to medium-grained slope-forming, channel-forming sandstone alternating with fining-upward sequences of very fine-grained sandstone, siltstone and mudstone. - Institute of Polar Studies Report 87 | https://kb.osu.edu/bitstream/handle/1811/48692/IPS_Report_87_Part1.pdf?sequence=2) | https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6753
everything is a bit cloudy
Me too, and sorry if I'm stirring up the muck.
I very tentatively like the '{informal division} of {some unambiguous and formal thing}' structure, but IDK if my attempts to parse into that have been accurate, and of course I'm up for anything else (as long as it's as clear and consistent as it can be).
@KatherineLAnderson @WaigePilson @Nicole-Ridgwell-NMMNHS @dustymc can we go with the current term/description in the first comment?
Does Upper Member
need to be proper case?
@Jegelewicz That works for me! @dustymc I don't think that it needs to be proper case. (see comment on #6751 6751)
Well now I'm really confused, because what I think is the "current term/description in the first comment" is also proper case ("Upper Member of Fremouw Formation")!
upper member of Fremouw Formation
seems to be more in line with the literature, but 'member' has formal connotations (maybe just to me)upper unit of Fremouw Formation
is nice, unless it's misleading.??
@dustymc because as you mention "member" has formal connotations, going with "upper unit of Fremouw Formation" is likely the least misleading option here.
@dustymc because as you mention "member" has formal connotations, going with "upper unit of Fremouw Formation" is likely the least misleading option here.
Except in the other thread for "Lower Fremouw Formation" #6748 we went with member, so it should be consistent....
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Create terms for use in informal lithostratigraphy as per incoming collection request. See https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6707
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upper member of Fremouw Formationupper unit of Fremouw Formation - https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6753#issuecomment-1755951617
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremouw_FormationThe Fremouw Formation can be subdivided into three informal members. The upper member consists of coarse to medium-grained slope-forming, channel-forming sandstone alternating with fining-upward sequences of very fine-grained sandstone, siltstone and mudstone. - Institute of Polar Studies Report 87 | https://kb.osu.edu/bitstream/handle/1811/48692/IPS_Report_87_Part1.pdf?sequence=2) | https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/6753
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