Closed falco-rk closed 10 months ago
@jldunnum @bryansmclean are mammal people collecting microbiomes? If so, do you have thoughts about this?
Host tissues likely to contain microbiomes are certainly collected, but the microbiome itself usually wouldn't be considered a "part" until verified by sequencing. I'm that case genbank links could point to it. I guess if you had additional microbial samples whose community properties have been previously characterized by sequencing, then this request makes sense.
microbial community samples.
What exactly is the "thing to which one might stick a barcode"?
"Approximately 100 g of the orange cyanobacterial–bacterial crust or benthic material (when crusts were absent) was collected from three sampling locations at each site with disposable sterile spoons and preserved in both RNAlater (Thermo Fisher Scientific, MA, USA) and 95% ethanol as well as flash frozen in 10% dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) and 10% glycerol with liquid N2. Ethanol-, DMSO-, and glycerol-preserved samples were archived as part of the Hawaiian Anchialine Microbial Repository in conjunction with the Ocean Genome Legacy Center"
^ This is literally what they sampled and put in the tubes that we now have in our collection. Is this clarifying?
Is this clarifying?
Yes! (I'm not sure now-me knows what to do with it, but future-me will definitely appreciate that comment!)
I think this is somewhere between https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctspecimen_part_name#geosample (scooped up some substrate) and https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctspecimen_part_name#filter_paper (scooped up some substrate with a goal in mind) and https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctspecimen_part_name#hindgut_content (substrate with a location) and maybe https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctspecimen_part_name#microbial_mat (but teensy?). Maybe we're missing some sort of 'sample with a purpose' part, or ?????????? I don't know, checking boxes because I don't think this will be too regrettable....
The actual sample here is "benthic material" or "biotic crust" - which is similar to "soil" or "water" in environmental samples scanned for eDNA. We also get microbiomes through analyzing intestinal contents, skin or oral swabs, root or leaf material, etc. So I'm a bit hesitant about using it as a part name. On the other hand, it is analogous to "whole organism" - just a bunch of organisms of multiple taxa along with the organic and inorganic substrate they are a part of. But what if the benthic sample was sterile or taken from some toxic or hazardous material? Then there would be no microbiome associated - but we'd still have the soil/substrate material. What about just using "biotic crust"?
What about environmental sample? Super generic and details can go in part remark? Maybe there could be part modifiers for some situations.
I'm fine with environmental sample
Environmental sample works for us
environmental sample
OK, but then the definition is totally wrong?
The only definitions I could find for environmental sample definitely overlap with geosample, rock, mineral, and maybe other stuff?
paint-chip, dust, soil, water or air samples collected for the purpose of analysis
The most common environmental samples are air, water, soil, biological materials, and wastes (liquids, solids or sludges). Each matrix is sampled using different techniques, but the underlying concepts are same in each case.
However, the thing described above by @happiah-madson may or may not have both geological and biological material, so how about
Samples collected for the purpose of analysis that cannot be classified as either geological or biological in nature.
Hit me with something better, or tell me to stop and let's just proceed with the term as originally suggested.
I think we should just proceed with "environmental sample" and not overthink it. As @dusty says, this is somewhat of an "intent" issue - it means the sample was collected for some kind of analysis, which could be microbiome, pollutants, eDNA, etc. We don't want to force geological collections to use it, and it becomes too complicated to try to add all the biological and geological terms as a mixed part. Here's another possible definition version modified based on https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/environmental-samples. Note that
"Environmental samples include air, water, soil, dust, biological materials and wastes (liquids, solids or sludges) collected for the purpose of analysis of microbial communities, pathogens, eDNA, toxins, pollutants, etc..
I'm good with that definition
also ok w/ this
initial request has been modified - everyone re-evaluate please!
Looks good. I checked a box.
Looks fine to me
@dustymc this has changed significant;y - is it still acceptable?
Just keeps gettin' better!
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To facilitate the curation of microbiome samples.
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While microbial mat and cell culture exist, OGL needs a more generic term for microbial community samples.
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microbiomeenvironmental sample
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the community of microorganisms that can usually be found living together in any given habitat. It was defined more precisely in 1988 by Whipps et al. as "a characteristic microbial community occupying a reasonably well-defined habitat which has distinct physio-chemical properties. The term thus not only refers to the microorganisms involved but also encompasses their theatre of activity". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicrobiomeEnvironmental samples include air, water, soil, dust, biological materials and wastes (liquids, solids or sludges) collected for the purpose of analysis of microbial communities, pathogens, eDNA, toxins, pollutants, etc.
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