Closed dustymc closed 3 weeks ago
A bunch of these are @DerekSikes is there a reason the existing agents aren't being found?
If you mean the nonunique names, that's probably me recovering verbatims that had been re-created post-verbatimization (and blaming Derek for it!). Likely one of them should be marked a duplicate of the other, but there's not enough information for me (nor anyone else, I suspect....) to actually determine that.
Going forward, I am going to favor Snarski over unknown.... :-)
While I'm here can someone explain the difference between 'create person' and 'create agent'? Apparently use of Arctos for over 10 years hasn't gotten me to an advanced enough knowledge level to know this :)
If one asserts that two agents are the same (one is a bad duplicate) I assume all or any metadata for the bad duplicate is lost? Is this true?
I can see where two agent records are duplicates but both have different metadata and a 'merging' of metadata would be helpful.
Pretty sure 'et al.' is a mistake - this is often used on labels without enough space to write all the agents involved so indicates "and others" but would only be used in conjunction with an actual agent. eg. https://arctos.database.museum/guid/UAM:Ento:275837 has collector Amy M. Runck et al.
but instead of 2 collectors with one being 'et al.' there should be only Amy M. Runck et al. as a single string?
Or maybe we should keep the et al. agent so we don't need to have a separate agent for every real person who might end up in an et al. situation?
difference
https://arctos.database.museum/info/ctDocumentation.cfm?table=ctagent_type
(And maybe that's all silly - table person
is decades-gone, the rules which replaced it are now gone, the philosophy which required the rules may be gone - but I'm clearly having a hard time getting over that, hence this issue! - maybe type just isn't important and we're pointlessly making things difficult for ourselves, IDK.)
assume
Nothing's lost, nothing's automated, users just get a notification suggesting an update.
'merging' of metadata would be helpful
Absolutely - and that's a job for a human.
mistake
You can make it a bad duplicate of something, then use....
... to update any records.
separate agent for every real person who might end up in an et al. situation?
Definitely not something I'd be happy to see, but I'm not hearing a lot of guidance from @ArctosDB/agents-committee at the moment....
To expand slightly on that and wander even farther from the topic at hand, I'm not happy to see "sorry, you're not very important to us" in ANY form, even when it's not me personally mushed into the et al. or faceless agency (see the host's attribute determiner) or whatever. Maybe I'm just being twitchy - I don't have field notebooks, we were recording data directly on AF sheets, the "traditional" importance of collector is perhaps less-relevant here - but I still think proper attribution is in general about the second-most important thing that museums can do (the first being solid links between literature and material).
Thanks. And for the record... our best practices protocol is to record all collectors in Arctos, but then for our tiny insect labels we often abbreviate to et al. The problem arises when someone makes labels BEFORE the data are captured and all we have are the tiny labels to enter the data from (retroactive data capture) - which is 99%+ of what most entomology collections are dealing with. UAM Entomology is a rare exception in that most of our data capture is prospective (before labeling).
More fun, there are a lot of agents being created with various could-be-important data stuffed into remarks.
We need a webinar, or some sort of education campaign??
select
agent.agent_id,
preferred_agent_name,
getpreferredagentname(agent.created_by_agent_id) creator,
agent.created_date,
rem.attribute_value
from
agent
inner join agent_attribute rem on agent.agent_id=rem.agent_id and rem.attribute_type in ('remarks')
left outer join agent_attribute on agent.agent_id=agent_attribute.agent_id and agent_attribute.attribute_type in (
select attribute_type from ctagent_attribute_type where purpose in ('address','event')
)
where
agent.agent_type='person' and
agent_attribute.attribute_id is null and
agent.created_date > current_date - interval '3 months'
order by agent.created_date desc
;
agent_id | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date | attribute_value
----------+----------------------------+------------------------+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
21352220 | L. Mironova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:50:41.997135 | Collected plants in Russia in 1986.
21352218 | A. Nikulin | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:44:36.500603 | Collected plants in Russia in 1987.
21352217 | V. Zemtsov | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:37:40.970177 | Collected plants in Russia in 1987.
21352216 | V. F. Ezrailson | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:32:48.073711 | Collected plants in Russia in 1966
21352215 | I. Belskaya | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:25:12.524505 | Collected plants in Russia in 1979.
21352214 | T. Ishkova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:19:29.117051 | Collected plants in Russia in 1983.
21352213 | O. Babarykina | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:13:00.603817 | Collected plants in Russia in 1984.
21352212 | G. Liventseva | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:09:19.76335 | Collected plants in Russia in 1984.
21352211 | I. Pshenichnaya | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:02:45.327919 | Collected plants in Russia in 1985.
21352210 | G. D. Dymina | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 10:54:17.99777 | Collected plants in Russia in 1979.
21352209 | O. Zhdanova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 10:52:07.066693 | Collected plants in Russia in 1986.
21352204 | O. Feronova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 18:26:41.110518 | Collected plants in Russia in 1979
21352202 | V. Rozhitsina | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 17:59:02.128203 | Collected plants in Russia in 1978
21352177 | O. Babarykina | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:23:58.065582 | Collected plants in Russia in 1984
21352176 | I. Pshenichnaya | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:19:57.708599 | Collected plants in Russia in 1984
21352175 | L. Dyukova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:15:46.461338 | Collected plants in Russia in 1985
21352174 | L. Mironova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:09:32.275383 | Collected plants in Russia in 1985
21352168 | A. Vershinin | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 14:19:07.197052 | Collected plants in Russia in 1981
21352166 | A. Andreeva | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 14:10:44.58855 | Collected plants in Russia in 1980
21352164 | G. Yakovleva | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 13:55:12.067619 | Collected plants in Russia in 1976
21352163 | V. Shein | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 13:52:27.865396 | Collected plants in Russia in 1980
21352162 | S. Borisenko | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 13:50:53.240816 | Collected plants in Russia in 1980
21352160 | T. Fedorova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 13:49:23.075608 | Collected plants in Russia in 1978
21352158 | V. Golovanova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 13:44:53.973037 | Collected plants in Russia in 1980
21352157 | N. Sidorenko | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 13:36:57.756534 | Collected plants in Russia in 1980
21352154 | A. Maneev | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-10 11:09:13.600432 | Collected plants in Russia in 1982
21352152 | B. O'Donnell | Searra Schell | 2024-04-09 18:25:02.1307 | Collected in Katmai in 1993
21352135 | N. Tumanova | C. O. Webb | 2024-04-05 17:41:31.472675 | Collector of Far Eastern Russia plants in 1971
21352134 | V. Schvydkaya | C. O. Webb | 2024-04-05 17:39:51.876208 | Collector of Far Eastern Russia plants in 1985
21352023 | G. Schelkovnikova | C. O. Webb | 2024-03-22 19:50:41.124828 | Collected plants with S.S Kharkevich in 1974
21351967 | P. Hafker | Alison Whiting | 2024-03-14 12:55:03.462628 | NEON - Utah project
21351965 | Ian Pearse | C. O. Webb | 2024-03-14 12:19:59.433642 | Volunteer for AKNHP in 2002
21351962 | J. Batchelor | Alison Whiting | 2024-03-14 10:14:43.730232 | NEON - Utah project
21351921 | Michael R. Howard | Jessica K. Tir | 2024-03-07 10:47:18.654563 | Collected plants and herps for the Walla Walla College collection (plants now housed at WSU Owenby Herbarium)
21351920 | Lauren Baur | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-03-06 19:46:45.630318 | Sevilleta LTER Research Scientist and Program Manager 2017-2023
21351920 | Lauren Baur | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-03-06 19:46:45.630318 | Sevilleta LTER Research Scientist and Program Manager
21351913 | Harold Stowell | Brooke Bogan | 2024-03-06 12:27:29.169484 | Professor of Geological Sciences, The University of Alabama
21351909 | Joann Stoddard | Alison Whiting | 2024-03-06 11:08:39.336368 | rehabilitates wildlife
21351885 | B. Fraser | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.472276 | Migrated from ALA database.
21351881 | Nico Limon | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.405224 | Healy, AK resident 2018
21351875 | Bundtzen | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.295728 | Invertebrate bulkload agent.
21351872 | Schmidt | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.262718 | C.E. Scmidt? G.A. Scmidt? Karl P. Scmidt? R. Schmidt?
21351869 | P. Valkenberg | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.202204 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351868 | S. Weeks | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.183082 | Bird collection agent.
21351866 | B. Kelly | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:39.13914 | Bird collection agent.
21351835 | Don Carney | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.950863 | Insect collector 1960
21351834 | S. Kogl | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.933996 | lepidoptera collector
21351829 | M. Merrell | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.842861 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351818 | Snarski | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.660891 | Invertebrate bulkload agent. Possibly David J. Snarski?
21351808 | W. S. McAlpine | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.46636 | collected Lepidoptera in Alaska
21351805 | Jared Hughey | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.414319 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351801 | Mark Detterman | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.341203 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351798 | Buck | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.300602 | Invertebrate bulkload agent.
21351787 | Svendsen | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:29.090336 | lepidoptera collector
21351780 | Emily Blattmachr | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.987924 | Anchorage member of the public.
21351778 | A. Bakke | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.944342 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351772 | Olive Kanayurak | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.830954 | Barrow, AK resident 2021
21351764 | Liz Masi | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.699816 | collected Lepidoptera in AK
21351751 | Chelonia Jones | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.435787 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351747 | K. Bevernitz | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.364936 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351740 | William A. Lehnhausen | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:28.24093 | Bird collection agent.
21351724 | Paul Spitzer | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.955857 | Collector for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351714 | A. D. Robertson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.771993 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351711 | Jon Berrie | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.72166 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351709 | Aliza Segal | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.680154 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351706 | Ginger Scoggin | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.627148 | PhD, DNP, ANP-C, Anchorage, AK, 2016
21351700 | C. Cattell | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.525267 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351691 | Vicky Koelzer | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.370989 | Gardener in Copper Basin, AK
21351688 | L. Heimer | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.312803 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351684 | Eric Pyne | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.25229 | KW Philip ALS collector.
21351680 | P. Redwood | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.180336 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351675 | W. Arvey | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.092862 | collected Lepidoptera in Alaska
21351672 | Don Bee | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:27.026079 | Collected fish with Cal Skaugstad in 1985
21351667 | P. Merritt | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.934564 | Insect collector Alaska
21351659 | Terri Cole | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.775315 | Collected in DNP, possible with Pat Pyne
21351656 | J. Bente | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.714895 | Lepidoptera collector
21351643 | A. L. Sanchez | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.456186 | Bulkloaded MSB Mammal agent.
21351640 | L. Halpin | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.401436 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351636 | Bethany Walker | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.332221 | 2019 UAF Bug Camper, Fairbanks, AK
21351631 | Eric Castro | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.250353 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351630 | T. Hudson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:26.233311 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351615 | M. Jetton | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:25.973261 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351612 | T. Dickel | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:25.926398 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351609 | Lyle Krichen | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:25.881901 | trapper in Cordova
21351603 | H. Tagarook | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:25.764963 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351601 | L. F. Elliott | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:25.718377 | Associated with R. Wilk
21351599 | Meekin | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:25.66781 | Lepidoptera collector
21351588 | Blakeslee | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.529297 | First initials unknown, collected for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey in 1975
21351582 | G. Cranna | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.42808 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351580 | Terri Wild | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.391425 | field technician Seward Peninsula, AK 2013
21351579 | Skyler Jordan | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.373707 | field technician Seward Peninsula, AK 2013 [assumed to be same as Skyler C. Jordan, bee collector in Alaska 2021]
21351569 | Jeff Foley | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.218304 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351567 | J. Trent | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.189499 | KWP, butterfly collector
21351561 | Teri C. Wild | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.087479 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351560 | Walter T. Phillips | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:20.069083 | collected Lepidoptera in Alaska
21351555 | Sue Quinlan | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.988178 | Migrated from ALA database.
21351554 | B. Robertson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.966345 | New Zealand collector on beetles 2002
21351552 | T. Ward | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.933408 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351542 | Bio 116 students | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.790886 | former agent type group
21351541 | Lindsey Taylor | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.776148 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351514 | Anna-Marie Kokx | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.342074 | collector
21351503 | Mary A. Calmes | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.151287 | Migrated from ALA database.
21351498 | C. A. Pease | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:19.036977 | Charles A. Pease?
21351495 | Karen Henderson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.8914 | Collector for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351478 | Unalakleet School students | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.601517 | former agent type group
21351473 | G. Nielsen | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.51093 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351471 | M. Shepherd | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.380863 | Miss Margaret Shepherd?
21351469 | G. Kunkle | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.354872 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351467 | D. M. Olsen | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.315796 | D.M. Olson?
21351465 | P. Bente | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.284953 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351462 | V. Waldron | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.230611 | Lepidoptera collector
21351461 | Gene Darby | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.213304 | citizen, Kenai, AK
21351459 | R. Fuson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.175991 | Lepidoptera collector
21351457 | J. Gorham | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:18.128328 | collected for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351449 | R. Mackey | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.973638 | Bulkloaded MSB Mammal agent.
21351446 | F. Karpuleon | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.929703 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351445 | J. Jacobs | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.907213 | J.F. Jacobs? J.W. Jacobs? Jeremy Jacobs?
21351432 | T. True | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.703254 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351417 | J. Perkins | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.487678 | Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351410 | Hollingsworth | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.379134 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351408 | Ruby An | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.338636 | PhD student working at Toolik Field Station Alaska, 2022
21351405 | William Dade | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.28883 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351401 | Tony Bakos | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.226548 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351400 | K. Bury | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.202589 | Lepidoptera collector
21351383 | M. Macgow | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.920149 | Or could be M. Maogow
21351381 | Roberts | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.894943 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351380 | Komarek | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.880916 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351379 | Charles Fahl | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.864203 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351373 | E. Hibler | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.764772 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351372 | E. Halpin | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.745089 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351361 | N. Threlkeld | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.565538 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351360 | Christina Trimingham | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.548931 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351358 | Mitchell A. Parsons | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.515226 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351347 | Stream Ecology Class UAF | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.3071 | Probably from University of Alaska Fairbanks
21351346 | K. Flaccus | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.285121 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351344 | B. Wood | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:16.250742 | Insect Collector Alaska Caribou Creek Research
21351342 | M. J. Kennedy-Smith | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.954922 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351341 | Mitch Parsons | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.937632 | field technician Seward Peninsula, AK 2013
21351337 | Edward Szafran | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.870091 | ALS volunteer Lepidoptera collector in AK
21351323 | T. Ovenshine | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.62894 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351322 | K. Wilk | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.612703 | Associated with R. Wilk
21351319 | Natalie Konig | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.56063 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351317 | S. Temple | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.529654 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351315 | Alivia Gonzalez | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.4981 | 2019 UAF Bug Camper, Fairbanks, AK
21351298 | Don Richter | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:37:47.206773 | Collector from Alaska Lepidoptera Survey Volunteer dataset
21351290 | Cassandra Brown | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:36:54.974288 | Bee collector in Alaska 2021
21351289 | J. Campbell | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:36:54.949897 | Bird collection agent.
21351281 | L. Jennings | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:34:13.470231 | collected Lepidoptera for Alaska Lepidoptera Survey
21351275 | S. Campbell | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:34:13.395198 | Migrated from ALA database.
21351267 | John D. Mertz | Angela Linn | 2024-03-04 18:41:16.341581 | UAM Ethnology and History
21351257 | Dennis L. Shirley | Alison Whiting | 2024-03-02 16:51:25.487017 | retired UDWR employee
21351254 | David Remple | Alison Whiting | 2024-03-02 16:34:08.904522 | Falconer
21351252 | D. A. Fiedler | Alison Whiting | 2024-03-02 10:58:52.058268 | Masters in 1974 - St. Cloud State College
21351175 | Ross M. Anderson | Alison Whiting | 2024-02-24 17:22:45.498319 | Ross lives in Sandy and raises parrots for a hobby. He was the Hogle Zoo veterinarian for many years.
21351155 | William R. Fraser | Alison Whiting | 2024-02-21 16:03:41.320016 | CEO of Polar Oceans Research Group
21350937 | Natalie Lucero | J. Tomasz Giermakowski | 2024-01-30 14:24:32.796167 | MSB:Herp
21350915 | Matthew Campen | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-01-26 17:11:31.136402 | UNMHS School of Pharmacy
21350848 | Anna Brant | Katherine L. Anderson | 2024-01-13 13:15:23.046587 | University of Washington graduate student
This is why it is key to make remarks visible within the agent pick tool. Seeing remarks will help disambiguate agent picks.
Seeing remarks will help disambiguate agent picks.
For the 1% (probable wild overestimation!) of agents who read (and understand - "ALS"==Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, right?) them, maybe.
Putting those data where they belong makes them available to a much wider audience.
(And https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/7434 is the place to change how the pick works, but try it in test first.)
Dups
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+------------+----------------------+---------------------+----------------------------
21351197 | person | David Johnson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-02-26 19:05:23.736418
21295057 | person | David Johnson | Dusty L. McDonald | 2015-10-06 11:30:13
21352394 | person | Elyssa Bush | Kara Branchflower | 2024-04-23 10:49:00.568389
21352393 | person | Elyssa Bush | Kara Branchflower | 2024-04-23 10:46:02.158056
21352211 | person | I. Pshenichnaya | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:02:45.327919
21352176 | person | I. Pshenichnaya | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:19:57.708599
21351445 | person | J. Jacobs | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.907213
21350919 | person | J. Jacobs | Jessica Weller | 2024-01-27 11:25:38.328081
21333621 | person | Lauren Wilson | Zack Perry | 2021-07-13 12:39:08.99178
21300714 | person | Lauren Wilson | Erica Krimmel | 2016-04-12 12:17:17
21332078 | person | Linda Moore | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2021-03-16 13:19:03.703952
21330095 | person | Linda Moore | Andrew Charles Doll | 2020-07-27 12:41:15.857541
21352220 | person | L. Mironova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:50:41.997135
21352174 | person | L. Mironova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:09:32.275383
21352213 | person | O. Babarykina | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-12 11:13:00.603817
21352177 | person | O. Babarykina | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-11 00:23:58.065582
21352417 | person | Tim Wheeler | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-04-24 13:52:16.752771
21282782 | person | Tim Wheeler | Jordan Metzgar | 2014-10-22 15:45:14
didn't click the magic button
agent_id | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+----------------------+---------------+----------------------------
21352408 | Mr. George Laflin | Olivia Cimino | 2024-04-24 10:30:11.712287
I think some of these are due to lags in the cache. I have added agents and for a while, search won't find them except when I search the EXACT preferred name. I can see how people would add someone again....this needs training.
didn't click the magic button
what magic button?
one of the David Johnson carries the not the same as relationship
one of the J. Jacob carries the not the same as relationship
one of the Linda Moore carries the not the same as relationship
@camwebb I think some of these may be your students? See https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/7649#issuecomment-2076031141
Dupes addressed
lags in the cache
I did write the possibility of changing the cache time (including to zero) into the API, so there's no technical trick in allowing (defaulting, whatever) "us" an override. That could also be used to melt the server, so guidance needed.
needs training
Clearly.
what magic button?
Take your pick, there's one that'll go from....
to
and one that'll go from....
to
not the same as relationship
I can rewrite the scripts, but I think we're up to one example (which I of course can't find) of those being based on any sort of evidence, ignoring that in data meant for human review seems right. https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/7719 supports this, I think - creating the duplicate seems defensible, but I can't understand why the relationship was added. I'd still get rid of it if I could....
I just made an agent: Tom Rickman
this was after a research associate wrote: "when I try to enter the collector, Tom Rickman, I tried to create the person as before but it errors out no matter what. Tom is alive. It's really quirky. If I try to add any additional info on him then it just errors out. If I don't enter any of the fields I get the option to force create and then it errors out. "
I was able to create Tom Rickman but when I did i got a page that showed a unintelligible short list of two Tom Rickmans and a force create button - why two? I had searched and no one existed with that name?
I force created and it worked. Why did it not work for my research associate, Joey Slowik?
And then I told Joey I made the agent but he wrote back:
"Well I got the boxes to turn green but the errors still exist anywhere I put Tom's name. Ideas?
2024-4-25T10:45:30: FAIL: agent_1_name [ Tom Rickman ] is invalid; record_event_determiner [ Tom Rickman ] matches 0 agents; locality_attribute_1_determiner [ Tom Rickman ] matches 0 agents: {"message":"agent_1_name [ Tom Rickman ] is invalid; record_event_determiner [ Tom Rickman ] matches 0 agents; locality_attribute_1_determiner [ Tom Rickman ] matches 0 agents","status":"fail"}"
So I'd say this make new agents process is broken in many ways.
arctos-> order by preferred_agent_name,created_date desc;
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+--------------+----------------------+---------------------+----------------------------
21351197 | person | David Johnson | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-02-26 19:05:23.736418
21295057 | person | David Johnson | Dusty L. McDonald | 2015-10-06 11:30:13
21352459 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:19:33.499769
21352458 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:17:46.457997
21351445 | person | J. Jacobs | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-03-05 13:38:17.907213
21350919 | person | J. Jacobs | Jessica Weller | 2024-01-27 11:25:38.328081
21333621 | person | Lauren Wilson | Zack Perry | 2021-07-13 12:39:08.99178
21300714 | person | Lauren Wilson | Erica Krimmel | 2016-04-12 12:17:17
21332078 | person | Linda Moore | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2021-03-16 13:19:03.703952
21330095 | person | Linda Moore | Andrew Charles Doll | 2020-07-27 12:41:15.857541
21352495 | person | P. V. Nesterov | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-30 21:13:28.868182
10008785 | person | P. V. Nesterov | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21352417 | person | Tim Wheeler | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-04-24 13:52:16.752771
21282782 | person | Tim Wheeler | Jordan Metzgar | 2014-10-22 15:45:14
21352433 | person | Tom Rickman | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-04-25 12:36:54.346303
21352432 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:09:25.013787
21352431 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:06:48.200331
(17 rows)
Can you restrict these searches to exclude those with relationship 'not the same as' please?
Cool stuff in remarks
agent_id | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date | attribute_value
----------+----------------------+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------
21352576 | Sally Whetstone | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-08 00:11:27.394131 | Collected plants in Alaska in 1981.
21352575 | Howard Ulrich | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-08 00:07:50.725251 | Collected plants in Alaska in 1985.
21352574 | Richard G. Holoway | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-08 00:04:12.008903 | Collected plants in Alaska in 1979.
21352573 | N. D. Atwod | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-07 23:59:59.088798 | Collected plants in United States, Arizona in 1973.
21352572 | B. Mitchell | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-07 23:56:33.364086 | Collected plants in Canada in 1978.
21352571 | K. Paige | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-07 23:53:06.191529 | Collected plants in Canada in 2001.
21352570 | J. L. Penny | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-07 23:51:20.805321 | Collected plants in Canada in 2001.
21352569 | J. Miner | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-07 23:46:32.015662 | Collected plants in Alaska in 2008.
21352557 | Alfonso Doucette | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-06 23:44:27.330045 | Collected plants in Alaska in 2007.
21352554 | Giovana D'Angelo | Mingna Zhuang | 2024-05-06 10:04:32.123804 | graduate student of entomology
21352548 | N. Fedorova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-05 15:09:30.370723 | Collected plants in Turkmenistan in 1940 with Al. A. Fedorov.
21352546 | J. Ryder | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-05 00:39:57.671707 | Collected in Canada with Bruce A. Bennett in 2005.
21352545 | J. Line | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-05 00:36:03.159676 | Collected plants in Canada with Bruce A. Bennett in 2005.
21352544 | O. Ceska | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-05 00:28:20.448506 | Collected plants in Canada in 2002.
21352543 | C. S. Tomb | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-04 00:13:29.460839 | Collected plants in Russia in 1978.
21352542 | J. B. McCarthy | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-04 00:06:23.235148 | Collected plants in Alaska in 1984.
21352540 | Ann Odasz | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 23:36:08.575995 | Collected plants in United States, Wyoming in 1979.
21352538 | J. Alto | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:40:47.843067 | Collected plants in Alaska in 1985.
21352537 | Anders Michelsen | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:38:37.474309 | Collected plants in Greenland in 1984.
21352536 | Helle Byrge | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:37:05.162128 | Collected plants in Greenland in 1984.
21352535 | L. S. Dick | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:33:12.549559 | Collected plants in Alaska in 1970.
21352534 | F. LeBlanc | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:29:41.051965 | Collected plants in Canada in 1961.
21352533 | F. Ernest | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:23:07.398095 | Collected plants in Canada in 1961.
21352532 | L. Duhamel | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 13:21:15.439678 | Collected plants in Canada in 1961.
21352529 | L. M. Zudova | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-03 12:54:46.906752 | Collected plants in Russia in 1971.
21352518 | V. N. Kononov | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-05-02 00:43:32.724689 | Collected plants in Moldova in 1949 -1958.
21352515 | Marcie E. Mondt | Alyssa Semerdjian | 2024-05-01 14:32:22.871172 | Cal Poly Humboldt student in early 1990s
I just searched on Tom Rickman who has 3 agent IDs in your prior list and yet only 1 agent is found from my search. What's up? I expected to find 3.
What's up?
Bug - thanks, I'll squash it for next release.
relationship
Here are dups which don't have any relationships. (Which could involve the worst possible scenario: A well-known agent isn't getting proper attribution because there's a duplicate, and now I'm ignoring that in the reports-or-whatever because one of them has some data. That'll need careful handling if this goes anywhere.)
On the subject of going somewhere, please see https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/7649#issue-2232072678 - my goal here isn't to clean up little bits and pieces, it's to develop policy regarding the extent to which low-quality data should be an "Arctos problem," and what "low quality" means plus what I can do about it if we do want to establish any sort of standards/suggestions/procedures/reports/whatever.
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+--------------+----------------------+--------------------+----------------------------
21352459 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:19:33.499769
21352458 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:17:46.457997
21352495 | person | P. V. Nesterov | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-30 21:13:28.868182
10008785 | person | P. V. Nesterov | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21352417 | person | Tim Wheeler | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-04-24 13:52:16.752771
21282782 | person | Tim Wheeler | Jordan Metzgar | 2014-10-22 15:45:14
21352433 | person | Tom Rickman | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-04-25 12:36:54.346303
21352432 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:09:25.013787
21352431 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:06:48.200331
(9 rows)
The aforementioned bug involved person-agents with no first or last name. Note that the create form will suggest these values with one click.
agent_id | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+----------------------+-----------------+----------------------------
21352432 | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:09:25.013787
21352431 | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:06:48.200331
21352408 | Mr. George Laflin | Olivia Cimino | 2024-04-24 10:30:11.712287
21352122 | Jack Spratt | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-05 12:12:44.141425
21352119 | C. Stillman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-04 16:05:10.937667
21352117 | B. S. Blitz | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-04 15:34:50.688057
21352116 | F. Sorensen | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-04 15:25:19.630444
21352109 | M. Rosy | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-04 12:59:13.243463
From error logs: https://arctos.database.museum/agent.cfm?agent_name=leah%25barr
From error logs: https://arctos.database.museum/agent.cfm?agent_name=leah%25barr
Cleaned up, but as long as untrained students are doing this, I expect it to happen daily....
untrained students
Setting policy on that sort of thing seems like something Arctos (the community, not the techy-bits) could do.
Relationship-free duplicate-ish:
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+--------------+------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------
21352459 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:19:33.499769
21352458 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:17:46.457997
21331498 | person | Guillermo D’Elía | James L. Patton | 2020-12-13 16:25:11.485838
21247708 | person | Guillermo D'Elía | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21280994 | person | Jack DeVille | Dusty L. McDonald | 2014-04-30 14:23:48
21279626 | person | Jack De Ville | Dusty L. McDonald | 2014-04-30 14:01:26
21352605 | person | Jorge Galindo Gonzalez | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2024-05-09 13:02:13.260878
21352604 | person | Jorge Galindo-Gonzalez | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2024-05-09 13:00:41.018711
21334283 | person | J. O. Sullivan | Teresa J. Mayfield-Meyer | 2021-09-07 16:29:24.897153
7604 | person | J. O'Sullivan | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
1017329 | person | LaRue | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21253481 | person | La Rue | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
1011480 | person | L. VanHorn | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
1010287 | person | L. Van Horn | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21253957 | person | Mary O’Donnel | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21256873 | person | Mary O'Donnel | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21286922 | person | Norma Le Veque | Dusty L. McDonald | 2014-11-07 12:22:41
21285505 | person | Norma LeVeque | Dusty L. McDonald | 2014-11-07 12:22:32
21352495 | person | P. V. Nesterov | Elena Taboko Taku | 2024-04-30 21:13:28.868182
10008785 | person | P. V. Nesterov | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21258795 | person | Rößner | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21257004 | person | Röner | unknown | 2013-12-16 21:49:31
21352417 | person | Tim Wheeler | Mariel L. Campbell | 2024-04-24 13:52:16.752771
21282782 | person | Tim Wheeler | Jordan Metzgar | 2014-10-22 15:45:14
21352433 | person | Tom Rickman | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-04-25 12:36:54.346303
21352432 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:09:25.013787
21352431 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:06:48.200331
@DerekSikes can you give us any idea why this happened?
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+--------------+------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------
21352433 | person | Tom Rickman | Derek S. Sikes | 2024-04-25 12:36:54.346303
21352432 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:09:25.013787
21352431 | person | Tom Rickman | Jozef A. Slowik | 2024-04-25 12:06:48.200331
@AJLinn any idea why this happened?
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+--------------+------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------
21352459 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:19:33.499769
21352458 | organization | Diamond Superior | Angela Linn | 2024-04-29 14:17:46.457997
@jldunnum any idea why this happened?
agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date
----------+--------------+------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------
21352605 | person | Jorge Galindo Gonzalez | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2024-05-09 13:02:13.260878
21352604 | person | Jorge Galindo-Gonzalez | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2024-05-09 13:00:41.018711
I am hopeful that we can figure out why these almost-immediate duplicates were made. Is there something going on that could help make adding agents better?
Might be the feedback lag. Once you create or edit an agent, the cache is a serious instant-gratification/ acknowledment impediment. So seems to me multiples get made because the user receives no confirmation or feedback and thinks nothing has happened (so you do it again!) I have had this happened to me with editing profiles and adding in more data to agents.
I do think there's a technical solution to this whether UI/UX or maybe a backend resource reallocation to make this more realtime-y?
lag
yes, I'm pretty sure that's part of it.
realtime-y
Week-ish done: https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/7738 (and only maybe-one meltdown, not too bad!)
lag
yes, I'm pretty sure that's part of it.
So maybe some nice obvious feedback banners, when someone hits buttons!? (You just made an agent! Edit SAVED!) Could be applied generally with button pressing action
realtime-y
Week-ish done: #7738 (and only maybe-one meltdown, not too bad!)
well one of these was made today; we could see if there's further suspicious duplicate agents made or maybe make more realtimey?
more realtimey
Uhh - the spice must flow??
I think it is in real time, or as close as the speed of stuffing photons through a few hundred miles of fiber optics allows. If there's some way to make that not happen, I'd REALLY like to know about it. If there's some other bug, I'd also like to know about that. UI improvement ideas always welcome as well.
haha, yea if that's the case no need for hallucinated realities (I thought i read that it was on a less than weekly update)!
then we are left with some UI/UX tweaks? I dont know if any other guardrails to actual creation is needed right now since it will put us right back where we were. I might need a realtime chat to spitball more ...
weekly
GAK! No, it was something less than an hour!
guardrails to actual creation
One alternative possibility is reports as above (but maybe not with only Teresa fixing everything...).
chat
Yea, probably.
Also worth mentioning that the vast majority of agents are pretty good. There's one verified agent without additional information (University of Colorado by @ebraker), and ~700 of the ~2000 created in the last 6 months lack clarifying data (most of those are me pretending to be Derek recovering verbatim agents - many of the rest do have some information, it's just stuffed into remarks - report here ).
This should run in writeSQL if anyone's curious:
select
agent.agent_id bare_id,
'https://arctos.database.museum/agent/'||agent.agent_id agent_id,
agent.preferred_agent_name,
getPreferredAgentName(agent.created_by_agent_id) creator
from
agent
left outer join agent_attribute on agent.agent_id=agent_attribute.agent_id and agent_attribute.attribute_type in (
select attribute_type from ctagent_attribute_type where purpose in ('address','identifier','relationship')
union select 'event' attribute_type
)
where
agent_attribute.attribute_id is null and
created_date > current_timestamp - interval '6 months'
I have to say - doing this "merge" was a giant pain in the ... and took up way too much of my time. We need something a little more automated - at least for moving all of the attributes from the "bad duplicate" to the agent that will remain.
Yes when creating I initially got an error and it didn’t appear like it had created the agent.
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agent_id | agent_type | preferred_agent_name | creator | created_date ----------+--------------+------------------------+--------------------------+---------------------------- 21352605 | person | Jorge Galindo Gonzalez | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2024-05-09 13:02:13.260878 21352604 | person | Jorge Galindo-Gonzalez | Jonathan L. Dunnum | 2024-05-09 13:00:41.018711
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@jldunnum thanks - if that happens again can you get us a screenshot of the error?
Yup will do. It happened out of the loan creation screen. Needed to add an agent when creating a loan.
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@dustymc see above - maybe a clue to the duplicates created recently?
Resolved https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/7649#issuecomment-2103389523
Made Jorge Galindo Gonzalez a bad duplicate of Jorge Galindo-Gonzalez
Do we need rules or guidance around agents?
I've noticed some not-great agent data being created, I don't know if @ArctosDB/agents-committee would care to attempt to establish any guardrails or if this is fine or ?? Please advise, or close if nobody cares.
Possible Actions
manage_agents
accessExamples and ponderings and such follow
Here are agents with nonunique preferred name:
and recent person-agents - many of which are clearly not persons - without a first or last name: