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reduplication? #5

Closed BasilisAndr closed 6 years ago

BasilisAndr commented 7 years ago

I've been looking through the nouns lexicon and found several words there that look like reduplication, but were written as Ia in the dictionary. Here's the list of what I could find:

ԓеԓеԓ ! роса ԓигԓиг ! яйцо (птичье) ԓиԓиԓ ! 1) жёԓчь; 2) жёлчный пузырь ԓинԓиӈ ! сердце мормор ! 1) соприкасающаяся с земԓёй часть ступни; 2) край ладони тамтам ! 1) шишка; 2) бородавка тавтав ! лай рытрыт ! (2) 1) жила (как материал для шитья); 2) сухожилие; 3) пряжа киԓкиԓ ! пуп кымкым ! 1) колбаса из оленьего мяса; 2) круглый предмет кыткыт ! (2) поздняя весна кэвкэв ! 1) хрящ; 2) дыхательное горло кэвкэв ! печенье кэркэр ! меховой женский комбинезон ӄоӈӄоӈ ! бубенчик, колокольчик ӄыԓӄыԓ ! 1) нерешительность; 2) леность ԓьувԓьув ! 1) силок; 2) петля мымыԓ ! вошь мэԓмэԓ ! хорошая погода нымным ! селение ӈыԓгыԓ ! (2) дым омом ! тепло, жара очоч ! начальник пиӈпиӈ ! 1) пепел, зола; 2) пыль; 3) порох; 4) порошок пъоӈпъоӈ ! гриб рытрыт ! (2) 1) жила (как материал для шитья); 2) сухожилие; 3) пряжа черычер ! глина чотчот ! 1) изголовье; 2) подушка чувчув ! кровоподтёк ыӄыӄ ! стужа ымым ! 1) прилив; 2) прибыль воды ыӈыӈ ! клей эӈэӈ ! лекарство мыймый ! (2) съедобный корень

Is all of this actually reduplication?

ftyers commented 7 years ago

Even if it is, I think we should treat reduplication in the lexicon, not in the phonological rules. It will simplify things a lot.

BasilisAndr commented 7 years ago

Of course, but if it stays as it is all the obl forms would be formed from reduplicated stems lør. 10. jun. 2017 kl. 15.00 skrev Francis Tyers notifications@github.com:

Even if it is, I think we should treat reduplication in the lexicon, not in the phonological rules. It will simplify things a lot.

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evoling commented 7 years ago

There are tests to tell: some of them are definitely reduplication (omom "warmth", n-om-qen "it is warm", om-əcʔaw- "feel warm", om-aw- "warm up (smth)"). If I had to guess I would say they are almost all reduplication, but most of them I simply don't know for sure. It would be pretty hard to find out without doing fieldwork.

The connection between oblique stems and the absolutive form is pretty irregular, so I guess it has to be in the lexicon anyway.