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[New Feature]: Digitigrade Lizard Toe Stub removal #11082

Closed Howluinb closed 23 hours ago

Howluinb commented 3 weeks ago

Describe the feature request

Alright, this may be controversial, but :

Digitigrade feet should not get random table toe stub. They're lizard feet, made of pure scales, they should not just get hardstunned every so often by pure RNG. Getting fucked by shards on the ground is 100% fair and fitting, but the toe stub is just annoying & makes no sense IMO. They don't even toes, just big ass claws covered in scales !

Please, can it be removed? It's definitely not a fun mechanic IMO.

mystery3525 commented 3 weeks ago

They stub their toes because they aren't wearing shoes, not because they are digitigrade: https://github.com/BeeStation/BeeStation-Hornet/blob/80c782aca0a79468384795d5e4c375d539b5acaa/code/game/objects/structures/tables_racks.dm#L55C7-L57.

You only do it when you bump into the table, I wouldn't be against reducing the rate though.

Tsar-Salat commented 3 weeks ago

Please, can it be removed? It's definitely not a fun mechanic IMO.

Theres no natural tables on lavaland. The digitigrade is adapted for that environment for ashwalkers. Of course the digitigrade isnt going to be optimal for the station, lizards are a relatively recently uplifted race

Howluinb commented 3 weeks ago

Theres no natural tables on lavaland. The digitigrade is adapted for that environment for ashwalkers. Of course the digitigrade isnt going to be optimal for the station, lizards are a relatively recently uplifted race

Lol, what?? Are you telling me lizards never invented the concept of a table before being found by Nanotrasen?? If the (in my opinion, completely valid) excuse of "Their feet are completely hardened, they shouldn't be bothered by an inconvenience that only exists because human feet are soft and very pliable"

Then let me put this another way :

It's so goddamn annoying. This mechanic is a purely RNG hardstun that serves no purpose beyond being an inconvenience that plagues any digitigrade. There is NO counter to it, there is no way to avoid this RNG check whatsoever. This is a feature unique to Digitigrade lizards. No other race has to deal with pure RNG annoyance. Every single one of their problems can be dealt with through proper planning and precautions, but digitigrade ? Not at all. This is why this mechanic is absolutely terrible on lizards, and I dare you guys to play a role like chef surrounded by tables without wanting to scream IRL at being hardstunned out of nowhere.

On the other hand, shard hardstun ? That's unique, fun & PREVENTABLE. If you pay attention to the floor and watch out where you stand, you will be able to avoid it entirely. Same for the inability to wear magboots or other kind of shoes, too, it's a constant that you can deal with in other ways.

But I genuinely don't know how it's possible to look at digitigrade RNG hardstun and think "Yeah that's a nice, balanced and interesting mechanic :D" because in no way whatsoever any proper game dev would dare include it in their game. Major annoyances for no reason either should not exist at all or have ways to prevent them entirely.

And as a final point. Give me ONE race that has to deal with such an annoying mechanic without ways to fight back against it in some way. (The answer is none. No race has to deal with annoyingly unavoidable RNG.) Why are digi lizards the only ones who have to deal with this?