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Nerf billy club breaching. #11850

Closed TsunamiAnt closed 1 week ago

TsunamiAnt commented 2 weeks ago

About The Pull Request

i ded(or someone else ded, but same thing)

reduces the billy club's structure damage:

Previous everything damage: 48

New Structure(windows, airlock assemblies) damage: 24 New Machinery(airlocks, computers) damage: 30 New Turf(walls) damage: 18

3 people are about as fast with this PR as a single person is right now.

Reinforced walls are now no longer breachable by billy club

Why It's Good For The Game

because THIS: image

is NOT good for the game.

Testing Photographs and Procedure

https://youtu.be/2jONAWjxmFg

Changelog

:cl: balance: reduced the billy club's structure damage, you can no longer destroy reinforced walls with it. /:cl:

RDS88-beeman commented 2 weeks ago

Considering that, as I recently discovered during the dodgeball round, Billy Clubs are better at taking down reinforced walls than actual tools are, this is a good change.

PowerfulBacon commented 2 weeks ago

This is fine, but I think you should completely remove the extra damage on walls so only breaching doors is effective

TsunamiAnt commented 2 weeks ago

I'll split it up into walls and doors once i get home yeah

Geatish commented 2 weeks ago

In my opinion, there should be a handheld battering ram / breaching hammer for sec to use that spawns in the armory instead of the billy club. Being able to break down any door / electrified window on green is quite unbalanced, since its hard enough as an antag to hide behind doors with an AI onboard.

TsunamiAnt commented 2 weeks ago

I can kinda get that, but like sec has a high and a low. The low is REALLY fucking low, and it's when a perp runs off and there's nothing between you and them except a fucking door and a seemingly deaf ai. that is like one of THE most frustrating things for security.

The high, and i do mean one of the most euphoric highs, is smashing that fucking door or window down while the perp looks on horrified. there is NOTHING better.

So yeah no clue im just gonna split the modifier and leave it at that

TsunamiAnt commented 2 weeks ago

alright new stats:

Previous everything damage: 48

New Structure(windows, airlock assemblies) damage: 24 New Machinery(airlocks, computers) damage: 30 New Turf(walls) damage: 18

I forgot about just removing wall damage at all, so eeeeh this will be fine surely. you'd need like 3 people bashing to get a wall destroyed in the same time as one guy can do it right now. You can still tear down normal walls, but it really is not a viable combat or pursuit strategy. It takes a good long while.

18 is not enough to start scratching reinforced walls at all. They are indestructible for billy clubs.

Fronsis commented 2 weeks ago

Seems good! Could you upload evidence when you have time? I'd like to see the amount of hits it takes for doors/walls/windoors now as a single person compared to current billy clubs

TsunamiAnt commented 2 weeks ago

Seems good! Could you upload evidence when you have time? I'd like to see the amount of hits it takes for doors/walls/windoors now as a single person compared to current billy clubs

https://youtu.be/2jONAWjxmFg

here you go babe. poured all my heart into this

Fronsis commented 2 weeks ago

Seems good! Could you upload evidence when you have time? I'd like to see the amount of hits it takes for doors/walls/windoors now as a single person compared to current billy clubs

https://youtu.be/2jONAWjxmFg

here you go babe. poured all my heart into this

Holy moly... Thank you for taking the time!

It seems fair! i assume the regular window would still be easily breachable alongside the Windoor since those are the only two that you missed(and also most frequent to break besides doors and tables) If you work together it should be more than doable in a reasonable time where it doesn't become frustrating, i miight feel that R-windows timer should be maybe 15-14 secs but considering they still retain the capability to deny shocking perhaps it's fine.

One last question! regarding walls, how does it compare against something that a normal crewmember could use(like a toolbox or axe) Since seeing the wall taking 34 hits made me thought that perhaps it got nerfed too much and at the end of the day IF random tool box could be faster to break down a wall but i don't recall their exact number of damage they do.

TsunamiAnt commented 2 weeks ago

I think normal melee weapons do about 12 to 15 damage. The baton does ~20 damage to walls and such

Rukofamicom commented 1 week ago

how does it compare against something that a normal crewmember could use(like a toolbox or axe)

It's still better, it just doesn't melt them